Kanga

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Zioinists and Israel
The real problem here is Iran. It also suits Israel to try to influence President Biden in their favour.
 

Camden

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We all have enabled the Zionist Nationalist Government over the years... every country .... with no censure..... the occasional sympathy and token UN gestures, condemned in 45 resolutions, and plenty virtue signalling but no action taken against them.... Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS) was the only thing that had them even slightly worried but not adopted by many .... all supporters of the Palestinian cause has watched over the years seen the slow ethnic cleansing on the map .


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Saoirse

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I am bound to say one of the few leaders around the globe who has been front and center in condemning this latest bout of murderous aggression by Israel is President Erdogan

Certainly Bidens cheerleaders can hang their head in shame if they thought he was going to bring a new balance to US perversely pro Zionist bias


UN EU Arab League etc have been useless and of course the worlds greatest Zionist terror enabler the US has blocked any attempts at even criticism of the slaughter

I agree entirely with Sabah that as long as Israelis choose pro aggression leaders and governments for their illegal statelet the issue will never be solved

 
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uller

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I am bound to say one of the few leaders around the globe who has been front and center in condemning this latest bout of murderous aggression by Israel is President Erdogan

Certainly Bidens cheerleaders can hang their head in shame if they thought he was going to bring a new balance to US perversely pro Zionist bias


UN EU Arab League etc have been useless and of course the worlds greatest Zionist terror enabler the US has blocked any attempts at even criticism of the slaughter

I agree entirely with Sabah that as long as Israelis choose pro aggression leaders and governments for their illegal statelet the issue will never be solved

Could not agree with you more. Whatever Erdogan’s other failings may be, he has always spoken up for the Palestinians, which probably is one reason he has fallen out of favor with the Americans.

And yes, every bullet, every bomb dropped on the open-air prison that is Gaza, is paid for by the American taxpayer. Even the Nazis didn’t bomb the Warsaw ghetto. International law, including the Fourth Geneva Convention, gives an occupied country the specific right to defend itself. I cannot think of any international law that gives an occupier the right to attack the country they occupy.

The West only remembers the “Holocaust survivors”. We forget the likes of Ghenrikh Yagoda and the fact that at one time Jews made up more than 50% of NKVD enforcers. Their descendants also emigrated to Israel.
 

Akasya

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Congress and the Senate are 300% more represented by members of the Jewish faith than the popultion as a whole . All US presidents are held within the auspices of the Jewish lobby . It is even more powerful than the NRA .
Steve
 

uller

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I don’t mean to dismiss the suffering of the Jewish population during WWII. It is only fair to remember all the millions of other nationalities that were deported, millions who died in the Arctic gulag. Many small nations were decimated. Who remembers the Kalmyks, for example. The Meskhetian Turks?

With their recently passed Nation-State Law, the Zionist state ensured that Palestinians will be second-class citizens of their homeland. The law ensures the “purity” of the Zionist enterprise. No different than apartheid South Africa passing and enforcing whites only laws. Zionist Israel is an ethno-religious enterprise, designed for Jews and Jews only.
 

Saoirse

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I agree with you entirely indeed we are at the grotesque situation where we have victims imitating their tormentors

After what the Jewish people suffered one would imagine a general national trait of kindness help and openness towards others

Instead with Zionists we have a 21st century hybrid of Nazi Germany and SA apartheid
 

Akasya

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Zioinists and Israel
Sadly , for Jewry worldwide , the generation of Israeli's currently running the show are not indigenous citizen's , they are mainly immigrants particularly Russians classed as refuseniks .
Steve
 

Camden

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As said all countries enable the Zionist Nationalist Government in Palestine. Sadly the Turkish President like many Arab/Persian leaders use the Palestinian cause for their own self interests , a distraction from their own authoritarian rule. A vote catcher knowing their own people are supporters of the Palestinians.

All ... American leaders have always been pro Israel, in part due to, as Steve said, the US has one of the strongest pro Israel lobbies in the world, also many of the media firms and filmmakers that influence the public. show Israel over Palestine support.

Also in the US the Nationalist Zionist Govt of Israel has the support by another strong influencing body and lobbyists the American Evangelicals ....

Palestinian supporters can take some small slow growing hope for the future in the US for some balance .... in the 73 odd year struggle .

There is a small crack and growing support in, with a small progressive wing within the Democrat party in Congress that is giving the other side and account in the Palestinian message. Small at the moment but growing. Even amongst the American Jewish community due to internet are now beginning to questioning their own Govts support... seeing atrocities

Also the there is a changing population demographic in the US towards Hispanic/Latino, who don't have the same affinity with Zionist Israel ..... Who will surely balk on seeing unemployment in their own communities.....Then seeing the amount of year upon year money provided to Israel the Cuckoo in the ME nest .

eg with $3.3 billion in supposed “security assistance” and $500 million for US Israel missile defense cooperation. That in comparison to the recent the meagre $600 payment to help struggling American families in the pandemic ...

We, ourself in the UK should reflect on the support we give to our politicians and who they support and fund their election campaigns
Just look to the Group within the Labour Party that tried to oust JC for his pro Palestinian stance calling him an anti semite were all LFI Labour friends of Israel.... The Tories 80% of Conservative MPs are members of the Conservative Friends of Israel or campaigns funded by them .

Even in the Tory Cabinet.... the Home Secretary Priti Patel, was once sacked from her post as International development secretary caught making unofficial plans to send humanitarian aid money from her budget to the Israeli Army ... Maybe due to her own support for one of Asia's staunchest supporter of Israel, the anti Muslim Indian Nationalist leader Narendra Modi, someone our own Chancellor Rishi Sunak has personal relationship and also a member of the CFI as was his predecessor in cabinet ....

 
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uller

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Sadly , for Jewry worldwide , the generation of Israeli's currently running the show are not indigenous citizen's , they are mainly immigrants particularly Russians classed as refuseniks .
Steve
Yes, I remember when immigration to Israel opened up for the Soviet Union. To be deemed eligible, only one sort-of Jewish grandparent was needed. There ensued quite a market in grandpa-documents, fake and otherwise. These people occupy the settlements and make up some of the most right-wing “religious“ fanatics. Most of them have dual citizenship. Quite a few of the Russian oligarchs/criminals have homes in Israel. Reason, Israel will not extradite them.

I have always wondered how they count Israel’s population. So many are dual citizens and just keep a second home in Israel. How many declare Israel as their place of residence, even though they do not live there?
 

uller

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As said all countries enable the Zionist Nationalist Government in Palestine. Sadly the Turkish President like many Arab/Persian leaders use the Palestinian cause for their own self interests , a distraction from their own authoritarian rule. A vote catcher knowing their own people are supporters of the Palestinians.

All ... American leaders have always been pro Israel, in part due to, as Steve said, the US has one of the strongest pro Israel lobbies in the world, also many of the media firms and filmmakers that influence the public. show Israel over Palestine support.

Also in the US the Nationalist Zionist Govt of Israel has the support by another strong influencing body and lobbyists the American Evangelicals ....

Palestinian supporters can take some small slow growing hope for the future in the US for some balance .... in the 73 odd year struggle .

There is a small crack and growing support in, with a small progressive wing within the Democrat party in Congress that is giving the other side and account in the Palestinian message. Small at the moment but growing. Even amongst the American Jewish community due to internet are now beginning to questioning their own Govts support... seeing atrocities

Also the there is a changing population demographic in the US towards Hispanic/Latino, who don't have the same affinity with Zionist Israel ..... Who will surely balk on seeing unemployment in their own communities.....Then seeing the amount of year upon year money provided to Israel the Cuckoo in the ME nest .

eg with $3.3 billion in supposed “security assistance” and $500 million for US Israel missile defense cooperation. That in comparison to the recent the meagre $600 payment to help struggling American families in the pandemic ...

We, ourself in the UK should reflect on the support we give to our politicians and who they support and fund their election campaigns
Just look to the Group within the Labour Party that tried to oust JC for his pro Palestinian stance calling him an anti semite were all LFI Labour friends of Israel.... The Tories 80% of Conservative MPs are members of the Conservative Friends of Israel or campaigns funded by them .

Even in the Tory Cabinet.... the Home Secretary Priti Patel, was once sacked from her post as International development secretary caught making unofficial plans to send humanitarian aid money from her budget to the Israeli Army ... Maybe due to her own support for one of Asia's staunchest supporter of Israel, the anti Muslim Indian Nationalist leader Narendra Modi, someone our own Chancellor Rishi Sunak has personal relationship and also a member of the CFI as was his predecessor in cabinet ....

Rather interesting that support for Israel has been waning among the Jewish younger generation, to the extent that a member of the Lobby just recently called for more attention to the crazy Evangelicals. Yes, there is a small but growing realisation that unadulterated support for Israel does not really help America’s foreign policy goals. There is one Palestinian heritage representative in the House, Rashida Tlaib.

There are also many pro-Palestinians among the Jewish writers, commentators in the US, in Israel and in the UK. I would mentionPeter Beinhard.
 

Camden

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Zioinists and Israel
Though miniscule, but seen as breakthrough in the US Congress , comes from the colloquially named much berated and maligned by Trump supporters as the "Squad "

A bunch of progressive Democrats mainly woman with pro Palestinian views now being heard on the Congress floor made up Rashida Tlaib Alexa Ocasio Cortez, Ilhan Omar ,Ayanna Pressley , Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush.... .. others known and noted (but not Squad) for their criticism of US Israeli policy André Carson, Chuy Garcia , Joaquin Castro and unusually a Rep. Betty McCollum .
 
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