Ukraine

[Jaycey]

So where are you getting your own info from, TLF?

OMG, unbelievable – Dumb, dumber & dumbest, do you even read your own messages before posting?
Had you done so you would know that I lived in Ukraine from Maidan to the very start of the war (2014) until our escape a few months ago as refugees and have a fair understanding of the situation there. I am also in contact with friends & family in Ukraine along with many other refugees scattered around the world that keep me au courant.

Better still, just where should all of us get our info from

Definitely not from your World Socialist website - you might try reading my posts on this thread, sorry if there are any long words.
But yet again you make no contribution to topic and have no answers, just noise, noise and more attention noise seeking attention. Sad.

 

[35pluschips]

OMG, unbelievable – Dumb, dumber & dumbest, do you even read your own messages before posting?
Had you done so you would know that I lived in Ukraine from Maidan to the very start of the war (2014) until our escape a few months ago as refugees and have a fair understanding of the situation there. I am also in contact with friends & family in Ukraine along with many other refugees scattered around the world that keep me au courant.

Definitely not from your World Socialist website - you might try reading my posts on this thread, sorry if there are any long words.
But yet again you make no contribution to topic and have no answers, just noise, noise and more attention noise seeking attention. Sad.

So why do YOU post MSM links on here if as you say, you have your own sources? I suppose these co-refugees give you the rundown on the G7 meeting as well or what VDL is offering Ukraine.......

Sad? Not me fella, far from it.
Stick with it, the latest is, the West intends to beat Russia, the long haul way.

 

[Jaycey]

So why do YOU post MSM links on here if as you say, you have your own sources?

MSM sources, if credible, have photos to illustrate our posts.

Sad? Not me fella, far from it.

Booze & drugs have that effect on some.

Stick with it, the latest is, the West intends to beat Russia, the long haul way.

Really? Where did you find that little gem?

But yet again you make no contribution to topic and have no answers, just noise, noise and more attention noise seeking attention. Sad.

 

[Jaycey]

G-20 presidency says Putin won’t go to Bali meeting..

"The Indonesian presidency of the Group of 20 nations has ruled out in-person participation by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the November meeting of the group in Bali, Italian Premier Mario Draghi said Tuesday.

The Nov. 15-16 summit had risked awkward diplomatic encounters if Putin were to have come, or the specter of Western leaders not even showing up given Russia’s war in Ukraine...

Draghi: G-20 presidency says Putin won't go to Bali meeting

ELMAU, Germany (AP) — The Indonesian presidency of the Group of 20 nations has ruled out in-person participation by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the November meeting of the group in Bali, Italian Premier Mario Draghi said Tuesday.

apnews.com

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[Tenpin]

Ukraine demands the seizure of Russian-flagged grain ship off Turkey​

Ukraine demands the seizure of Russian-flagged grain ship off Turkey

Ship tracking reveals the route of a grain shipment from Russian-controlled Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

Extract:
Ukraine has called for a ship carrying grain from a Russian-occupied part of the country to be seized.
The ship is currently lying off the Turkish coast.
We've monitored the Russian-flagged ship, the Zhibek Zholy, on its route from the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk to the Turkish port of Karasu.

 

[Jaycey]

Ukraine demands the seizure of Russian-flagged grain ship off Turkey​

Ukraine demands the seizure of Russian-flagged grain ship off Turkey

Ship tracking reveals the route of a grain shipment from Russian-controlled Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

Extract:
Ukraine has called for a ship carrying grain from a Russian-occupied part of the country to be seized.
The ship is currently lying off the Turkish coast.
We've monitored the Russian-flagged ship, the Zhibek Zholy, on its route from the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk to the Turkish port of Karasu.

Ukraine requests Turkey detain Russian-flagged ship it says carrying Ukrainian grain

The Ukrainian foreign ministry official, citing information received from the country's maritime administration, said the 7,146 dwt Zhibek Zholy had loaded the first cargo of some 4,500 tonnes of grain from Berdyansk, which the official said belonged to Ukraine

www.zawya.com

Does Turkey have the nerve to impound it? Doubtless Putin will declare it an act of war.

 

[35pluschips]

Ukraine requests Turkey detain Russian-flagged ship it says carrying Ukrainian grain

The Ukrainian foreign ministry official, citing information received from the country's maritime administration, said the 7,146 dwt Zhibek Zholy had loaded the first cargo of some 4,500 tonnes of grain from Berdyansk, which the official said belonged to Ukraine

www.zawya.com

Does Turkey have the nerve to impound it? Doubtless Putin will declare it an act of war.

Maybe Turkey will buy it..........

 

[Jaycey]

Maybe Turkey will buy it..........

And pay Ukraine?

 

[35pluschips]

And pay Ukraine?

Doubtful.

 

[Jaycey]

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Putin targets domestic dissidents.

''...Russia still bears the unhealed scars of the Soviet Gulag, a vast system of camps where millions were killed through forced labor, torture, executions and starvation. In the final years of the Soviet era, political prisoners were released from the gulags and human rights organization Memorial was founded to document the horrors of the camps. When Memorial was liquidated and banned by the Russian government in December 2021, it was widely seen as a green light for future abuse.

Many of the voices that would normally draw attention to the Kremlin’s crimes are currently being silenced. While attention focuses on Russia’s genocidal war in Ukraine, the Russian government is accelerating its brutal crackdown on any shred of dissent at home...."

With all eyes on Ukraine, Vladimir Putin targets domestic dissidents

While international attention focuses on Vladimir Putin’s genocidal war in Ukraine, the Russian government is accelerating its brutal crackdown on any remaining expressions of anti-regime dissent on the domestic front.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

 

[Camden]

Turkey no real ally to the Ukrainians buying blood oil and to profit by others misfortune .... AKP led Turkey again, as with Iran and gold.... profiting from Sanctions, the Russian discounted cheap energy used for export to prop -up the Lira, from their mad economic policy.... The Turkish people see NO benefit on the discounted prices at the pumps ...the extra is re-exported at a profit.

Record import from Russia: Is oil bought at a discount and sold expensive?​

In June, imports from Russia exceeded 5 billion dollars, breaking a record. Russia rose to the first place in Turkey's oil imports, Turkey became one of the three countries in the world that increased its oil purchases from Russia ..... the most due to the discounted price. The discounted price is not reflected to the consumer.​

Rusya’dan rekor ithalat: Petrol indirimli alınıp pahalı mı satılıyor?

Rusya’dan rekor ithalat: Petrol indirimli alınıp pahalı mı satılıyor? - Haziranda Rusya'dan ithalat 5 milyar doları aşarak rekor kırdı. Türkiye'nin petrol ithalatında Rusya ilk sıraya yükselirken, indirimli fiyat nedeniyle dünyada Rusya'dan petrol alımını en çok artıran üç ülkeden biri Türkiye...

www.sozcu.com.tr

 

[Jaycey]

 

[35pluschips]

Turkey no ally to the Ukrainians buying blood oil and to profit by others misfortune .... AKP led Turkey again, as with Iran and gold.... profiting from Sanctions, the Russian discounted cheap energy used for export to prop -up the Lira, from their mad economic policy.... The Turkish people see NO benefit on the discounted prices at the pumps ...the extra is re-exported at a profit.

Record import from Russia: Is oil bought at a discount and sold expensive?​

In June, imports from Russia exceeded 5 billion dollars, breaking a record. Russia rose to the first place in Turkey's oil imports, Turkey became one of the three countries in the world that increased its oil purchases from Russia ..... the most due to the discounted price. The discounted price is not reflected to the consumer.​

Rusya’dan rekor ithalat: Petrol indirimli alınıp pahalı mı satılıyor?

Rusya’dan rekor ithalat: Petrol indirimli alınıp pahalı mı satılıyor? - Haziranda Rusya'dan ithalat 5 milyar doları aşarak rekor kırdı. Türkiye'nin petrol ithalatında Rusya ilk sıraya yükselirken, indirimli fiyat nedeniyle dünyada Rusya'dan petrol alımını en çok artıran üç ülkeden biri Türkiye...

www.sozcu.com.tr

I suppose anyone who is currently purchasing Russian oil, could be considered to be dealing in blood money, matters not what price they sell it on for.

 

[Camden]

I suppose anyone who is currently purchasing Russian oil, could be considered to be dealing in blood money, matters not what price they sell it in for.

Surprised ( then again maybe not )in you not seeing the difference being "need" and "necessity" to keep industry going, also an economy going till an alternative source found ..... over the Turks blatant profiteering of discounted oil, then selling it on,at a higher price .... overturning their once no1 imported Iraqi oil importer , for the Russians .. all at the Ukrainians expense. ..not to mention the Turks seeing no relief at the pumps, with the discounted oil profit going on the AKP failed policy on the Lira.

 

[Jaycey]

Should Turkey use the grain without payment to Ukraine or sell it on then they are dealing with stolen goods.

I have yet to see a reason to change my signature line.

 

[35pluschips]

Surprised ( then again maybe not )in you not seeing the difference being "need" and "necessity" to keep industry going, also an economy going till an alternative source found ..... over the Turks blatant profiteering of discounted oil, then selling it on,at a higher price .... overturning their once no1 imported Iraqi oil importer , for the Russians .. all at the Ukrainians expense. ..not to mention the Turks seeing no relief at the pumps, with the discounted oil profit going on the AKP failed policy on the Lira.

"need" and "necessity"
On a commodity like oil??? That's called storage for the future and/or making money. Nor do I think only Turkey will be doing that.
European energy companies are not buying oil from Russia, then selling it on to the end user for the same price they got it for lol

 

[Jaycey]

"In Slovyansk, a major Donetsk city still under Ukrainian control, four people died when Russian forces fired cluster munitions late Friday, Mayor Vadym Lyakh said on Facebook. He said the neighborhoods that were hit did not contain any potential military targets…

Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Iryna Venediktova said the investigators were recovering fragments from missiles that struck an apartment building in the small coastal town of Serhiivka. They also were taking measurements to determine the trajectory of the weapons, she said.

“We are taking all the necessary investigative measures to determine the specific people guilty of this terrible war crime,” Venediktova said.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said three anti-ship missiles struck “an ordinary residential building, a nine-story building” housing about 160 people…



The British Defense Ministry said Saturday that air-launched anti-ship missiles generally do not have precision accuracy against ground targets. It said Russia likely was using such missiles because of a shortage of more accurate weapons.

 

[Jaycey]

The EU has imported more gas by sea from the US than through pipelines from Russia.

In June 2022, the EU received more natural gas by sea from the United States than through pipelines from Russia for the first time, announced the International Energy Agency. IEA executive, Fatih Berol, added that this trend signals the need for the EU to reduce consumption and prepare for a brutal winter.
Last week, The European Commission stated that they expect severe interruptions in the supply of Russian gas and will intensify preparations for such scenarios.
The German government admits that Russia may not resume the natural gas supply to Europe via the Nord Stream-1 gas pipeline after the repair work planned for next month.

 

[enoch]

I read an article today about Russian tourist's coming to turkey they have just realised that they are funding the production of turkish drones that are killing Russian soldiers in the Ukraine conflict.

 

[Camden]

I read an article today about Russian tourist's coming to turkey they have just realised that they are funding the production of turkish drones that are killing Russian soldiers in the Ukraine conflict.

I would be surprised the way Russian media is, that Russians would ever hear of killing of their soldiers per se or for a country portrayed by Putin as a friend, being seen in a negative way ... with Putin losing face, in having lost an supposed ally ...

Of course the Ruling Party in Turkey is profiting from this war as unlike the West makes Ukraine pay for the drones and armaments .. unlike the West ... You would think they would give them to the Ukrainians free as this is Ukrainian war unfortunately is a worldwide advertisement for this deadly Turkish drone and Turkey's armaments industry per se...