Akasya

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Not sure I read you right on this Steve.
What is wrong in putting a defence force in the Med?
And “adventurism”? From where I sit seems Putin is the adventurist.
Surely the well done Mr Biden is a bit of a giveaway
Steve
 

Tenpin

The Yorkshireman
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EU auditor: Fossil fuels get more tax breaks than renewables​



Extract:
BRUSSELS (AP) — European Union nations often still tax and subsidize their energy sources in contradiction with their committed climate goals, and a majority spend more supporting fossil fuels than renewables.
 

Chasey

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EU auditor: Fossil fuels get more tax breaks than renewables​



Extract:
BRUSSELS (AP) — European Union nations often still tax and subsidize their energy sources in contradiction with their committed climate goals, and a majority spend more supporting fossil fuels than renewables.

They noted that while a majority of EU countries impose high taxes on fuels, several others keep taxes close to the minimum.

So in short the countries that are rich enough to afford the luxury of investing in the hugely expensive, unreliable and minuscule benefit renewables.

EVERY study has shown the lack of effectiveness of renewables outside of the hydroelectric option. Even hydroelectric suffer decades of negative impact due to the construction of dams etc.


true cost of wind energy


 
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Tenpin

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Seems the UK aren't the only ones not giving away Patent/IP.

Vaccine row remains between EU, Africa​



Extract:
The European Union and African leaders agreed to a “renewed partnership” at a summit last week with pledges of major investments, but Europe was accused of ignoring calls to waive patents for COVID-19 vaccinations.
 

Chasey

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Tenpin

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But the EU isn't the dependent one is it. The EU supplies the UK with over 40% of our gas needs whilst France already has 70% of its power provided by Nuclear and Germany has over 50% supplied by wind and sola + 13% supplied by Nuclear.

So in fact its the UK lagging behind

Can you provide a source for this?
 

esb1841

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But the EU isn't the dependent one is it. The EU supplies the UK with over 40% of our gas needs whilst France already has 70% of its power provided by Nuclear and Germany has over 50% supplied by wind and sola + 13% supplied by Nuclear.

So in fact its the UK lagging behind
That is incorrect
The European Union gets around 40% of its gas from Russia. By comparison, the UK “imports barely any gas from Russia”, said The Guardian’s energy correspondent, Jillian Ambrose. Almost half of the gas piped into the UK comes from the North Sea, and a third from Norway, while Russian imports make up less than 5%.
 

Chasey

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That is incorrect
The European Union gets around 40% of its gas from Russia. By comparison, the UK “imports barely any gas from Russia”, said The Guardian’s energy correspondent, Jillian Ambrose. Almost half of the gas piped into the UK comes from the North Sea, and a third from Norway, while Russian imports make up less than 5%.


The EU do import 40% of its gas from Russia but it's more a political-based move than a dependence. A bit like when thatcher closed the UK coal mines and instead imported coal from South Africa to make up for us banning Asbestos in order to keep our Polaris bases open in SA.

In light of the situation in the Ukraine, the EU will reduce its import of gas by 70% in 2023


The main players in the EU are not reliant on gas as they have invested and continue to invest heavily in renewables and nucellar, the big users are obviously the EU countries closest to Russia. The EU could if it chose divert its resources there.

The UK on the other hand imports a lot of energy, but not so much from Russia (5% I believe) but most of the rest comes from the EU?

So its kind of obvious that the EU can reduce supply to the UK to cover its own drop in dependence of Russian gas as we are no longer in the inner sanctum so it doesn't feel obliged to support us, and divert supply to Russian dependent EU member states.

As per usual the UK has been lazy and bloated and relied totally on importing cheap rather than investing and producing.

There is much more gas available in the north sea but extraction will take time we don't have.

Blow Jobs answer? take the restraints off of Fracking for shale gas with all the environmental impacts that come with this move.

A conspiracist might argue that this was a planned move by big energy. Getting the shackles removed from cheap shale gas fracking will mean BIG profits as any reduction in current costs will be welcomed thanks to expectations management even if its still higher than before
 

esb1841

Member
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The EU do import 40% of its gas from Russia but it's more a political-based move than a dependence. A bit like when thatcher closed the UK coal mines and instead imported coal from South Africa to make up for us banning Asbestos in order to keep our Polaris bases open in SA.

In light of the situation in the Ukraine, the EU will reduce its import of gas by 70% in 2023


The main players in the EU are not reliant on gas as they have invested and continue to invest heavily in renewables and nucellar, the big users are obviously the EU countries closest to Russia. The EU could if it chose divert its resources there.

The UK on the other hand imports a lot of energy, but not so much from Russia (5% I believe) but most of the rest comes from the EU?

So its kind of obvious that the EU can reduce supply to the UK to cover its own drop in dependence of Russian gas as we are no longer in the inner sanctum so it doesn't feel obliged to support us, and divert supply to Russian dependent EU member states.

As per usual the UK has been lazy and bloated and relied totally on importing cheap rather than investing and producing.

There is much more gas available in the north sea but extraction will take time we don't have.

Blow Jobs answer? take the restraints off of Fracking for shale gas with all the environmental impacts that come with this move.

A conspiracist might argue that this was a planned move by big energy. Getting the shackles removed from cheap shale gas fracking will mean BIG profits as any reduction in current costs will be welcomed thanks to expectations management even if its still higher than before
Gas: Norway accounted for 55% of UK gas imports in 2020, with pipelines from Belgium and The Netherlands supplying 1% and 2% respectively. The remaining 42% arrived as Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG), of which 48% was from Qatar. In 2020, Qatari, Russian and US LNG imports accounted for 87% of all LNG imports, whilst LNG imports were received from France for the first time.

Norway isn't part of the EU
Imports of the gas from the EU
Belgium and The Netherlands supplying 1% and 2% respectively
 

Chasey

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Gas: Norway accounted for 55% of UK gas imports in 2020, with pipelines from Belgium and The Netherlands supplying 1% and 2% respectively. The remaining 42% arrived as Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG), of which 48% was from Qatar. In 2020, Qatari, Russian and US LNG imports accounted for 87% of all LNG imports, whilst LNG imports were received from France for the first time.

Norway isn't part of the EU
Imports of the gas from the EU
Belgium and The Netherlands supplying 1% and 2% respectively


Slightly disingenuous as Norway is a member of the EFTA and the EEA but OK from Europe rather than specifically EU member states.


 

esb1841

Member
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Slightly disingenuous as Norway is a member of the EFTA and the EEA but OK from Europe rather than specifically EU member states.


The point being is when you posted "
So its kind of obvious that the EU can reduce supply to the UK to cover its own drop in dependence of Russian gas as we are no longer in the inner sanctum so it doesn't feel obliged to support us, and divert supply to Russian dependent EU member states."

If the EU reduces its supply of Gas from Russia that will have little impact on the UK
EU exports to the UK are very small Belgium and The Netherlands supplying 1% and 2% respectively and they come from the gas fields in the Netherlands so if the EU instructs the The Netherlands to no longer supply the UK thee UK would be looking at a shortfall of 3%

How Europe is dependent on Russian gas​

Russia accounts for 65 per cent of Germany’s natural gas imports and almost 40 per cent of the EU’s.
looking at the chart there is 12 countries where their Russian gas imports exceed 50%
 
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As pointed out, energy prices will just continue to rise and rise whilst Europe tries to wean itself off Russian supplies. Those rises will be reflected at the ballot boxes right across Europe & here.

Strange how things roll, Europe's looking for supplies & Russia has gas and oil that's in demand worldwide. I heard somewhere that India has now become a valid customer for what Russia has got.
 

Akasya

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As pointed out, energy prices will just continue to rise and rise whilst Europe tries to wean itself off Russian supplies. Those rises will be reflected at the ballot boxes right across Europe & here.

Strange how things roll, Europe's looking for supplies & Russia has gas and oil that's in demand worldwide. I heard somewhere that India has now become a valid customer for what Russia has got.
Will cost a fortune to get it to India as there is no pipeline and road access would be impossible , so either arctic os Japan sea access only .
Steve
 
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Will cost a fortune to get it to India as there is no pipeline and road access would be impossible , so either arctic os Japan sea access only .
Steve
Likewise it costs a fortune to ship LNG from the US/Australia etc to Europe but Europe still buys it and the end users pay the price, those shipments don't use pipelines either........
 

Akasya

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Likewise it costs a fortune to ship LNG from the US/Australia etc to Europe but Europe still buys it and the end users pay the price, those shipments don't use pipelines either........
Can India bear the costs , USA Australia export to mature markets , petrol in India is very cheap , does India have the unload depots for such . Doest have the dollars to pay ?
Steve
 

esb1841

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Can India bear the costs , USA Australia export to mature markets , petrol in India is very cheap , does India have the unload depots for such . Doest have the dollars to pay ?
Steve
India is the world’s third biggest oil consumer and importer.

Currently, it brings in around 85 per cent of its oil needs – but typically only buys 2-3 per cent of its supplies from Russia.

Despite prices faltering in recent days – there remains a near $25 discount for Urals grade oil compare to Brent Crude – as businesses shun Russian supplies in fear of unwittingly violating sanctions.

However, with oil prices up 40 per cent this year, Prime Minister Narenda Modi’s government is considering boosting supplies from the Russia amid fears its import bill could spike to $50bn for the fiscal year starting in April.

Work is currently ongoing to set up a rupee-rouble trade mechanism, which could be used to pay for oil and other goods.

It is also looking for cheaper raw materials from Russia and Belarus for fertiliser, as the cost of its subsidy programme has rocketed.

The government expects the fertiliser subsidy bill to rise 200- 300bn rupees in the next financial year from 1.05trn rupees.

So it appears they are being offered a $25 discount compared to the current brent oil price
 

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