Chasey

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So Brexit didn’t happen, then why do you continue to post about rejoining?

Because we lost our seat at the table & our benefits

What we have ended up with is EU alignment with subservience to the EU and oversite by the EU

THATS the deel we signed

And despite the fact we are taking one for the team to avoid economic disaster, its STILL bad for business and bad for UK citizens. OK not as disastrously bad as a proper Brexit where we totally ignore EU rules, do our own thing and stop paying into the EU altogether. THAT proper Brexit would have been apocalyptic. No, this half-arsed,"we haven't really left but we are pretending we have" is obviously far more desirable than a Hard Brexit

But its not really Brexit is it.

Lits for me the key goals of Brexit voters and ill demonstrate how we didn't achieve them.
 

Chasey

Member
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Errrr “EU going forward”.
Dire mismanagement......its you going to the EU begging for vaccines & money, not the UK.

Seeing as our percapita growth in the UK since joining the EU has beaten pretty much all other countries in the planet, including Germany and the USA, can you explain why it is that since we have voted to leave / now left we have gone into decline and not improved our position?

Yes, you could say its due to covid? But of course, we have been in decline since 2017 and since covid, we are doing worse than other similar countries within the EU?

Strange that.

I still await the amazing stuff that leaving the EU will bring to the good people of the UK now we are free.

Any examples to offer?

Or is it a standard we won you lost la la la. 😜response?
 
The EU going forward
Seeing as our percapita growth in the UK since joining the EU has beaten pretty much all other countries in the planet, including Germany and the USA, can you explain why it is that since we have voted to leave / now left we have gone into decline and not improved our position?

Yes, you could say its due to covid? But of course, we have been in decline since 2017 and since covid, we are doing worse than other similar countries within the EU?

Strange that.

I still await the amazing stuff that leaving the EU will bring to the good people of the UK now we are free.

Any examples to offer?

Or is it a standard we won you lost la la la. 😜response?
The “good stuff” is currently being injected into people’s arms here in the UK. Would being in the EU have hindered that? I wonder.
What was it that the UK spotted over securing these vaccines and investing in the company that 27 member states and Brussels itself missed.....

Regards to the UK going into decline......how well are the 27 member states doing?
 

Camden

Member
The EU going forward
It looks like this Resettlement scheme will be our loss....seems in part due to our Governments mixed messaging ...

From the article ...“This mixed messaging around settled status on the one hand and voluntary returns on the other, seriously undermines the government’s claim that the rights of vulnerable Europeans will be protected after Brexit "

The news came as research from the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants (JWCI) warned that thousands of European key workers risked losing their legal right to remain in the UK.

The report, titled When the Clapping Stops: EU Care Workers After Brexit, warns that thousands of European citizens currently fulfilling key worker roles in the care sector, as well as those working in construction, manufacturing and agriculture, are at risk of losing their legal status and face removal from the UK.

Of 295 care workers surveyed by the charity, one in seven were unsure what EUSS was, one in three had not heard about it before being in touch with JCWI, and one in three did not know there was a deadline for the settlement scheme, nor when it was. Most of the surveys were conducted between January and March last year.

“If even a tiny fraction of the estimated EEA+ (EU, EEA and Swiss) residents are unable to apply in time, tens of thousands will lose their status overnight,” the report states.

“Without urgent action, the care sector is likely to be devastated,” it adds.

The report calls for the immediate lifting of the deadline for applying to the EUSS, for European citizens to be automatically granted settled status, and for an end to “hostile environment” policies.
 

Tenpin

The Yorkshireman
The EU going forward

Eurostar is 'in peril' and needs UK government help, say British firms​


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British business leaders are calling on the UK government to provide financial help to Eurostar, stressing the COVID-hit rail link to Europe is "in peril".

Eurostar, which is majority-owned by France's state-owned rail company, SNCF, is believed to have tapped into all financial assistance available to them from the French government.

As far as I can tell there is no ownership by the UK......could be wrong.

Eurostar was owned by SNCF, SNCB and British Rail. ... In May 2015, the UK government completed the sale of its 40% share to a consortium made up of two companies: Caisse de Depot et Placement du Quebec (CDPQ) and Hermes Infrastructure.

UK transport secretary: Eurostar is ‘not our company to rescue’​


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Eurostar is not the U.K.’s company to rescue and France remains primarily responsible for bailing out the rail firm, Britain’s Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said today.

“We’ll look to be helpful but we don’t actually own this company,” Shapps told the U.K. parliament’s transport select committee.
 

Chasey

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UK transport secretary: Eurostar is ‘not our company to rescue’​


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Eurostar is not the U.K.’s company to rescue and France remains primarily responsible for bailing out the rail firm, Britain’s Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said today.

“We’ll look to be helpful but we don’t actually own this company,” Shapps told the U.K. parliament’s transport select committee.


Not sure what this has to do with the EU?

Mr Shapps is 100% correct we don't own Eurostar so why the hell should we bail it out? This would surely be the situation had we remained in the EU just as it is the situation now we have left.

I hope our Government would demand shares in the company if they do offer money. I can see a benefit for the UK in keeping Eurostar alive but we should expect our money back with interest if we do.
 

Tenpin

The Yorkshireman
The EU going forward

EU plotting ban on internal combustion engine as of 2025​


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The European Commission’s proposed Euro 7 emission rules on cars, vans, trucks and buses would amount to “a ban through the back door” of internal combustion engines as of 2025, if implemented in their current form, industry has said, calling the proposal premature and “completely out of the question”.

“The proposals for the Euro 7 regulation discussed so far jeopardise value chains far beyond the automotive industry by leading to a de facto ban on cars and trucks powered solely by internal combustion engines. Europe cannot afford that,” the statement said.
 
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EU plotting ban on internal combustion engine as of 2025​


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The European Commission’s proposed Euro 7 emission rules on cars, vans, trucks and buses would amount to “a ban through the back door” of internal combustion engines as of 2025, if implemented in their current form, industry has said, calling the proposal premature and “completely out of the question”.

“The proposals for the Euro 7 regulation discussed so far jeopardise value chains far beyond the automotive industry by leading to a de facto ban on cars and trucks powered solely by internal combustion engines. Europe cannot afford that,” the statement said.

Another EU roll out 😂 😂
 

Tenpin

The Yorkshireman
The EU going forward
So the EU five years ahead of Boris 2030 .... The sooner the better for the planet ..

The UK moves up deadline to ban the sale of combustion-engine vehicles

The UK ban begins in 2030 . Johnson made the announcement as part of a new ten-point plan for a “green industrial revolution.”


Which is the most realistic target based on....

Present Battery Technology
Charging Point availability (both in and out of country)
Range on One Charge
Retail Price of Vehicle (still unaffordable to the masses)
Conversation of factories to Electric Vehicle Manufacturing Only
Retraining of Workforce
Supply Chain changes
Possible upgrade of National Grids to support extra load

And probably other things not in the list....

Boris 9 year target is more realistic to me than the EU 4 year target.
 
The EU going forward
The Commission doesn’t require EU citizens to vote them into office, National leaders do. Through the Commissions failures, member states leaders were left out with the washing. Germany was ordering extra vaccines beyond the Commissions remit, why? Maybe Ms Merkel had the heads up off her friend the President of the EU, that the EU on this occasion wasn’t going forward!!!

 

Chasey

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Which is the most realistic target based on....

Present Battery Technology
Charging Point availability (both in and out of country)
Range on One Charge
Retail Price of Vehicle (still unaffordable to the masses)
Conversation of factories to Electric Vehicle Manufacturing Only
Retraining of Workforce
Supply Chain changes
Possible upgrade of National Grids to support extra load

And probably other things not in the list....

Boris 9 year target is more realistic to me than the EU 4 year target.


No it isn't and neither target will be achieved.

The EU have taken a good step by banning different charger designs leaving only two designs allowable for electric cars in ALL eu countries. This will ensure EU wide travel with existing charge points. I doubt if the UK will drop this ban now we have left. It would be mad.

I have little doubt there will be penalties for the highest pollution cars vans and trucks and that there will be further incentives on all-electric cars vans and trucks, but there is no way the infrastructure can be ready by 2025 or 2030 without massive investment that simply can no longer be financed due to Covid.

If the green fuel levy was not just another tax and was actually spent on Green Issues, wed have billions to invest in fast charger points all over the UK, but with 33 million cars in the UK alone, assuming only 10% needed away from home charging at any one time that's over 3 million fast charger stations in the UK. We only have 30,000 and they are only at 11,000 locations in the UK

There would need to be some quantum leap in charger tec to allow all electric cars to replace petrol and hybrid

Seeing as I am on a roll with accurately predicting the Brexit disaster deel back in 2016 ill take another punt.

Plug in Hybrid cars will be the baseline norm in 2025

Its the only way it would work
 

Chasey

Member
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The Commission doesn’t require EU citizens to vote them into office, National leaders do. Through the Commissions failures, member states leaders were left out with the washing. Germany was ordering extra vaccines beyond the Commissions remit, why? Maybe Ms Merkel had the heads up off her friend the President of the EU, that the EU on this occasion wasn’t going forward!!!



Utter boll@cks of course

The UK cabinet doesn't require or allow members of the public to elect them either. Neither of course does the House of Lords or the Queen

The EU commission is the direct equivalent of our "unelected" UK Cabinet.

So what's your point? Or is this yet another attempt to mislead the gullible with lies?

This EU institution operates as a cabinet government, with 27 members of the Commission (informally known as "commissioners").[4][5] There is one member per member state, but members are bound by their oath of office to represent the general interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state.[2] One of the 27 is the Commission President (currently Ursula von der Leyen) proposed by the European Council[6] and elected by the European Parliament.
 

Camden

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The EU going forward
Is this a U-turn by the EU? I’d say it was and a good one at that.


Well if Big Pharma as seen can't meet their contractual supplier agreement due as said to "bottlenecks" what do you expect them to do ... let people become infected ? hardly a U turn more of alternative plan due to circumstance. ...
 
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Well if Big Pharma as seen can't meet their contractual supplier agreement what do you expect them to do ... let people become infected ? hardly a U turn more of alternative plan due to circumstance. ...
Of course its a U-turn, the EU President herself stood at a podium and said, there was no going it alone on the p0roccurement of vaccines. The Commission had sole rights. At the time she made that statement, there was a shortage of vaccines, that never stopped her giving out the warning to member states.
 

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