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EU's final WARNING: Horror in Brussels as Italian poll finds huge number want to QUIT bloc

A new poll has found 40 percent of Italians would support quitting the EU and scrapping the euro as its official currency.

A further 6.1 percent would support just quitting the EU, while 7.3 percent support remaining in the bloc but scrapping the euro.

Just 41.7 percent agreed in maintaining the status quo.

The results come from a survey carried out by pollsters Bidimedia between April 15 and 16, who asked 3,400 Italians: "Would you agree to leave the euro and the EU?"

The findings are a warning to EU leaders about the fragile state of the bloc, with strains in relations beginning to show.

Just last month another opinion poll, carried out by the news agency Dire, found 88 percent of Italians felt they had been let down by their European allies.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen even said sorry to Italy earlier this month for the bloc's response to coronavirus.

The eurocrat offered “a heartfelt apology” for letting down Italy when it first became engulfed by the virus.

Speaking to the European Parliament, Ms Von der Leyen said: “Too many were not there on time when Italy needed a helping hand at the very beginning.

“And yes, for that it is right that Europe as a whole offers a heartfelt apology.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ropean-union-coronavirus-response-coronabonds
 

Camden

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Just a knee jerk reaction to the Coronavirus and the perception in part true of lack of EU support ( hence the EU apology) .. No country, in its right mind would put itself, its people,its reputation and economy through such angst and self flagellation and in the process negotiate itself poorer ( for one Italy could never afford it, and would find it hard to extricate itself from the Euro )


 
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35pluschips

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"A knee jerk reaction"...…….They were blanked by the EU in a major crisis, could be a bit more than how you describe it. Not forgetting though, if what was said a few weeks back is correct, not one individual member state stepped forward to help Italy, nor did the UK as it goes. It was a further dig in the guts to the Italians when certain member states put a ban on exports of PPE, even to other member states.
Personally I don't think Italy will leave the EU BUT this day & age...….who knows?
 

Camden

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"A knee jerk reaction"...…….They were blanked by the EU in a major crisis, could be a bit more than how you describe it. Not forgetting though, if what was said a few weeks back is correct, not one individual member state stepped forward to help Italy, nor did the UK as it goes. It was a further dig in the guts to the Italians when certain member states put a ban on exports of PPE, even to other member states.
Personally I don't think Italy will leave the EU BUT this day & age...….who knows?

In the beginning your right they didn't, nobody would deny and again as you said no one else did, they all reverted to a well used Brexit word Sovereign ( the same as their Health Services within the EU )

So yes, the Italians have the right to feel let down from the Union ....... but that changed and changing they came to help and still are , and maybe the €50 million Italian aid scheme from the EU new covid aid may help further.


Would the Italians now with a badly wrecked economy ( like many others because of covid ) badly in the need of a cash infusion to rebuild, spurn their richer Northern EU members who they will need to Guarantee loans in the rebuild ? by going for Italexit ?
 
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35pluschips

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In the beginning your right they didn't, nobody would deny and again as you said no one else did, they all reverted to a well used Brexit word Sovereign ( the same as their Health Services within the EU )

So yes, the Italians have the right to feel let down from the Union ....... but that changed and changing they came to help and still are , and maybe the €50 million Italian aid scheme from the EU new covid aid may help further.


Would the Italians now with a badly wrecked economy ( like many others because of covid ) badly in the need of a cash infusion to rebuild, spurn their richer Northern EU members who they will need to Guarantee loans in the rebuild ? by going for Italexit ?

Mmm €50 billion, you might find with the Italian voters that money won’t be the issue. It had plenty of anti EU sentiment even before this virus.
Anyway it will be up to the Italians.
 

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Agreed but the majority voted to leave.

When was the national Italian referendum and vote ?

50 billion ? you Spurs , the former Tory Chancellor Hammond , billions and millions Del ?

Steve
 
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Chasey

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See barnier is complaining UK is not agreeing to his deal and he wants to extend the extension date. No need. Just leave with no deal.

Sure, what could possibly go wrong with that idea?

As usual the EU is being pragmatic.

At the moment its all posturing. Ill wait for July (the deadline for extensions) before I worry about it.

I suspect its a case of running it to the wire and then announcing it is all the EUs fault. This seems to be the tactic of the last decade with regard to the EU
 

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Sure, what could possibly go wrong with that idea?

As usual the EU is being pragmatic.

At the moment its all posturing. Ill wait for July (the deadline for extensions) before I worry about it.

I suspect its a case of running it to the wire and then announcing it is all the EUs fault. This seems to be the tactic of the last decade with regard to the EU

The EU going forward is far bigger than Brexit
 

Chasey

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The EU going forward is far bigger than Brexit

100% agree

Shame we are no longer part of the worlds largest super power. I bet the USA China and Japan are happy its power has diminished by the UK leaving. They will be more able to impose their will on us as a result :(

Churchill did warn us about that danger but he was just a snowflake remainer tarator as we all know
 

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Italians only in Dec 2019 were in favour of staying in the EU 62% ... So maybe now Covid and the EU initial response, may have changed that for now ... whilst that initial response may be on their minds.

but as seen the later the EU response has been good, both in medical and will be seen by Italians in the need to rebuild their lives, employment and economy. This is when Italians are/will see EU help.

Seen with the 50 billion euro help also the help given by the EU Central Banks in keeping Italy's all important credit rating by its support saving Italy from more expensive borrowing, for any rebuild of the economy


Dec 2019 "Italians are not in favour of following in Britain's footsteps, with 62 percent saying leaving the European Union would not be a good idea, according to a report released on Friday by Italian research institute Censis." ( source below )



"Italy has escaped a possible deterioration in its credit rating by Standard & Poor’s, granting a stay of the country’s bonds following a recent sale which increased borrowing costs.

After a regular review of Italy’s solvency, S&P maintained the rating at BBB on Friday, two notches above “spam” status, despite forecasts of a jump in Rome’s debt level to 153 % of GDP by the end of the year as the government accelerates. borrow to finance its response to the coronavirus crisis.

The rating agency said that the European Central Bank’s massive asset purchase programs “supported this additional public borrowing.”"

Italy bonds reprieved as S&P downgrade avoided
https://thakoni.com/italy-bonds-reprieved-as-sp-downgrade-avoided/

Most Italians want to remain part of the European Union, poll finds Dec 2019
https://www.thelocal.it/20191206/most-italians-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-union-poll-finds
 

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Italians only in Dec 2019 were in favour of staying in the EU 62% ... So maybe now Covid and the EU initial response, may have changed that for now ... whilst that initial response may be on their minds.

but as seen the later the EU response has been good, both in medical and will be seen by Italians in the need to rebuild their lives, employment and economy. This is when Italians are/will see EU help.

Seen with the 50 billion euro help also the help given by the EU Central Banks in keeping Italy's all important credit rating by its support saving Italy from more expensive borrowing, for any rebuild of the economy


Dec 2019 "Italians are not in favour of following in Britain's footsteps, with 62 percent saying leaving the European Union would not be a good idea, according to a report released on Friday by Italian research institute Censis." ( source below )



"Italy has escaped a possible deterioration in its credit rating by Standard & Poor’s, granting a stay of the country’s bonds following a recent sale which increased borrowing costs.

After a regular review of Italy’s solvency, S&P maintained the rating at BBB on Friday, two notches above “spam” status, despite forecasts of a jump in Rome’s debt level to 153 % of GDP by the end of the year as the government accelerates. borrow to finance its response to the coronavirus crisis.

The rating agency said that the European Central Bank’s massive asset purchase programs “supported this additional public borrowing.”"

Italy bonds reprieved as S&P downgrade avoided
https://thakoni.com/italy-bonds-reprieved-as-sp-downgrade-avoided/

Most Italians want to remain part of the European Union, poll finds Dec 2019
https://www.thelocal.it/20191206/most-italians-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-union-poll-finds


"Dec 2019 "Italians are not in favour of following in Britain's footsteps, with 62 percent saying leaving the European Union would not be a good idea, according to a report released on Friday by Italian research institute Censis."

And how many thousands of Italians had died from the virus in December 2019? The opinion of the EU by Italians might've been somewhat different in February 2020. The EU were absent. The EUs lack of action towards helping the Italians will not be forgotten & the euroskeptics will be using that in the future.


The talk of billions means nothing to voters when they've just lost family members & were left in the lurch by Brussels. Nobody sees or visualises billions but they do visualise missing family members who once sat down with them at meal times.
 

Camden

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"Dec 2019 "Italians are not in favour of following in Britain's footsteps, with 62 percent saying leaving the European Union would not be a good idea, according to a report released on Friday by Italian research institute Censis."

And how many thousands of Italians had died from the virus in December 2019? The opinion of the EU by Italians might've been somewhat different in February 2020. The EU were absent. The EUs lack of action towards helping the Italians will not be forgotten & the euroskeptics will be using that in the future.


The talk of billions means nothing to voters when they've just lost family members & were left in the lurch by Brussels. Nobody sees or visualises billions but they do visualise missing family members who once sat down with them at meal times.

I think I already pointed out the timeline....no luck with the glasses then?



The Italian Health Service actions and policy taken on the Virus were a Sovereign matter, taken by the Italian Govt ( remember that word Brextremist bang on about not being able to action ..Italy did ) Italians died of the virus....

Unfortunately yes, Italians may need someone to blame at the moment .. and the EU makes an easy scapegoat.....

And I am sure this is being used, reinforced and highlighted as seen both by Italexit and our own Brextremists. In the sick use of Italian misery of thier Dead. In anti EU propaganda ... even though they know this only happened after the initial response, and after that the EU helped and are still helping Italy ... Just shows how low Italexit and Brextremists will go using Italian dead , to get their poisonous Anti EU message across...

When it comes to rebuilding lives the Italians if not poisoned altogether by Italexit's equivalent of Brextremists ..... They will see the truth that after the EU apology for its initial reaction it actually did help and will be there in their support to get Italians lives back to as near normal as possible ....
 
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Camden

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More than Italy problem. Macron has just told the block part with the covid 19 trillions or loose the free market. Daily Telegraph.

Enoch, I think its normal for the more hard hit covid 19 Southern European states led by Macron, to put pressure on the more richer Northern European states led by Merkal for more money for their covid hit ailling economies... Merkal having to walk a fine line ... obviously reluctant with her ( their) own electorate in mind (after historically seen to have had to bail out Greece)
 

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