Mushtaq

Founding Member
Swedish Terror Attack
I don't understand what these attacks are meant to achieve, the people who will lose our more are the Muslims with extra checks and refusals for refugees and general discrimination against the Muslim people in the western world.

These people are the real enemies of Islam.
 

Spurs

Spurs
Swedish Terror Attack
A comment the other day was that there are 64 countries involved in the coalition one way or another. They're not all on the ground or bombing in Syria/Iraq but their names are "on the list" as helpers. There's plenty of these countries for terrorists to go at, I haven't looked but I bet Sweden is on that list. So I assume when people in those countries say why us, terrorists will say why not?
 

the bueman

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Swedish Terror Attack
A comment the other day was that there are 64 countries involved in the coalition one way or another. They're not all on the ground or bombing in Syria/Iraq but their names are "on the list" as helpers. There's plenty of these countries for terrorists to go at, I haven't looked but I bet Sweden is on that list. So I assume when people in those countries say why us, terrorists will say why not?

Allies providing humanitarian aid
• Sweden: $13-million.
• Kuwait: $9.5-million.
• Switzerland: $9-million.
• Japan: $6-million.
• Austria: $1.3-million.
• New Zealand: $1-million.
• South Korea: $1-million.
• Ireland: $1.4-million.
• Spain: $640,000.
• Slovakia: $25,000.


Really poor show of support from Republic of Ireland & Spain.....perhaps they are saying don't target us....we only contributed a small amount towards this campaign against you.

I get a really bad feeling this year more than most....about attacks on innocent tourists in France and Spain where they know German and British holiday makers head for.
 

bal canavar

“Je suis l'humanité.”
Swedish Terror Attack
My sympathies to the 4 families of the victims and a get well to the injured .....

It looks like it could have been so much more devastating, as the Swedish authorities have found explosives in the truck used .... can't think the consequences if it had been set off .... the perpetrator is said to be Uzbek ......

These terrorists are sick, and shows it is not religious persecution foreign policy they are against, but indiscriminate terrorism. Nothing now, if ever, to do with foreign policy or openness to refugees of the countries targetted. As Sweden was welcoming and neutral.... It is Daesh divide and rule , alienate one religion against another , it has worked for them dividing Sunni and Shia , by bombing one to rile the other Into react ...... now it seems they want to use Muslim against a Secularists society ..........

It's likely to get worse ,before better ,as Daesh is routed in Iraqi , Syria .... So to keep them relevant, unfortunately,and in the public eye they will use any methods , means or people to keep that oxygen of media front pages .
 

Spurs

Spurs
Swedish Terror Attack
The usual.

"Mr Eliasson also said the suspect in custody was from Uzbekistan, 39, and known to security services."
 
Swedish Terror Attack
I don't understand what these attacks are meant to achieve, the people who will lose our more are the Muslims with extra checks and refusals for refugees and general discrimination against the Muslim people in the western world.

These people are the real enemies of Islam.

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles... if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle."​

The bankrupted, politically correct and paralysed politicians/MSM of the West often ask the question "Why?". Why are these Islamic terrorists so hell bent on causing death and destruction to those in the West? What is their driving force? With just a little research, they will find out- and it is very disturbing.

I have recently come across the Clarion Project who keep a collection of the Islamic State's propaganda magazine, Dabiq. This is not what you would expect; it is professionally put together and obviously written by highly educated academics who use their unique brand of logic to both justify and encourage the jihad against the West. I thoroughly recommend downloading this and reading it's contents- by doing so, you will immediately get a clear insight into what is driving these ongoing terrorist attacks [please be aware- there are some highly distressing images]:

http://theclarionproj.wpengine.com/...magazine-dabiq-fifteen-breaking-the-cross.pdf

There is an article on pages 30 - 33 entitled "Why we hate you and why we fight you". The following are the extracts from the six reasons given:

"1. We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for you and our enmity towards you...

2. We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power...

3. In the case of the atheist fringe, we hate you and wage war against you because you disbelieve in the existence of your Lord and Creator. You witness the extraordinarily complex makeup of created beings, and the astonishing and inexplicably precise physical laws that govern the entire universe, but insist that they all came about through randomness and that one should be faulted, mocked, and ostracized...

4. We hate you for your crimes against Islam and wage war against you to punish you for your transgressions against our religion...

5. We hate you for your crimes against the Muslims; your drones and fighter jets bomb, kill, and maim our people around the world, and your puppets in the usurped lands of the Muslims oppress, torture, and wage war against anyone who calls to the truth...

6. We hate you for invading our lands and fight you to repel you and drive you out. As long as there is an inch of territory left for us to reclaim, jihad will continue to be a personal obligation on every single Muslim.
"

It seems clear to me that the people who hold these views, cannot be easily dismissed as "mentally ill" or "lone wolves" or any of the silly labels they are given - they have their own distinct brand of perverted logic that are based on their unique perception of the world as it currently exists.

They feel religiously entitled to do what they do. Very, very frightening.
 

bal canavar

“Je suis l'humanité.”
Swedish Terror Attack
D.A. I am not surprised that the statement from Dabiq is so hateful being a propaganda and recruitment for Daesh

But Daesh should know It is forbidden in Islam to issue a ruling on a point of Islamic law without all the necessary learning requirements.
Even then they must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts.

It is also forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Qur’an—or part of a verse—to derive a ruling without looking at everything that the Qur’an and Hadith teach related to that matter.

In other words, there are strictly subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas, and one cannot ‘cherry-pick’ Qur’anic verses for legal arguments without considering the entire Qur’an and Hadith.

Sourced from an open letter of denial to speak on behalf of true Muslims and why he has no learning ( no cherry picking) to the leader of Daesh by
Hundreds of Muslim leaders and Scholars worldwide in their Open Letter of condemnation to Baghdadi leader of Deash .





e.g shown in your highlitghted text on JIHAD ... doesn't mean automatically the meaning that comes to most Western minds ..... and how Daesh and the ultra right use ........

Jihad explained. The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.

Jihad

The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort, and it means much more than holy war.

Muslims use the word Jihad to describe three different kinds of struggle:

A believer's internal struggle to live out the Muslim faith as well as possible
The struggle to build a good Muslim society
Holy war: the struggle to defend Islam, with force if necessary
Many modern writers claim that the main meaning of Jihad is the internal spiritual struggle, and this is accepted by many Muslims.

However there are so many references to Jihad as a military struggle in Islamic writings that it is incorrect to claim that the interpretation of Jihad as holy war is wrong.

Jihad and the Prophet

The internal Jihad is the one that Prophet Muhammad is said to have called the greater Jihad.

But the quotation in which the Prophet says this is regarded as coming from an unreliable source by some scholars.
They Daesh regard the use of Jihad to mean holy war as the more important.




Clarion Project .....I always wonder why there is always a Jewish religious background to sites like this that seem to want to highlight by collating info on a group that distorts and blackens Islam...
Wouldn't it be better to concentrate on thier own religion and distortions of it in the form of Zionism as being practiced by Netenyahu and his aparthied system ,and open prison Gaza .



Clarion Project founded by rabbi Raphael Shore, before previously working
with Aish HaTorah an Orthodox organization devoted to promoting Jewish learning along with its sub-organization, HonestReporting, a pro-Israel media watchdog site run by his brother Ephraim.
The perfect place to come it seems for the Israeli Foreign Ministry when they sought to combat anti-Israel ideas on college campuses, it worked with Aish HaTorah to develop the Hasbara Fellowships.

Hasbara is a form of propaganda aimed at an international audience, primarily, but not exclusively, in western countries. It is meant to influence the conversation in a way that positively portrays Israeli political moves and policies, including actions undertaken by Israel in the past.


Source Wiki ....

So the SPLC could be riight when they called th Clarion site anti Muslim
 
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Spurs

Spurs
Swedish Terror Attack
A very dear price innocent people have had to pay for not removing a failed asylum seeker from their country. Surely if you fail your removed immediately or held in custody until the arrangements are made?

"The Uzbek man arrested in the terrorism rampage in central Stockholm last week was an asylum seeker whose application was rejected and who in December was given four weeks to leave the country, the Swedish police said on Sunday."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/09/world/europe/sweden-truck-attack.html?_r=0
 

eliza

Member
Swedish Terror Attack
So probably the result will be that you are not allowed to refuse anyone in case they turn nasty .... it should be like when you get made redundant, you clear your desk the same day to prevent any vengeful reactions ....
 

Spurs

Spurs
Swedish Terror Attack
Well we do know its not only Sweden who operates that way over people who shouldn't be in their country, seems we have all got that same problem.
If I had an unwanted person on my property I certainly wouldn't be giving him a month to leave........
 

tintagel

Member
Swedish Terror Attack
Sweden will ‘NEVER GO BACK’ to mass immigration after Stockholm terror, says shocked PM.

During 2015 alone, Sweden received more than 160,000 asylum applications, resulting in the country closing its internal borders in an attempt to stagger the levels of migration into the country.

And more than 3,000 migrants are still living illegally in the Swedish capital alone.

But now Stefan Löfven has pledged to change Sweden’s liberal attitudes to immigration, and insisted the massive influx would never be allowed to happen again.

It comes after migrant Rakhmat Akilov from Uzbekistan drove a stolen 30-tonne truck into pedestrians at a busy department store in Stockholm on Friday.

Sweden will ?NEVER GO BACK? to mass immigration after Stockholm terror, says shocked PM | World | News | Express.co.uk
 

Spurs

Spurs
Swedish Terror Attack
Sweden will ‘NEVER GO BACK’ to mass immigration after Stockholm terror, says shocked PM.

During 2015 alone, Sweden received more than 160,000 asylum applications, resulting in the country closing its internal borders in an attempt to stagger the levels of migration into the country.

And more than 3,000 migrants are still living illegally in the Swedish capital alone.

But now Stefan Löfven has pledged to change Sweden’s liberal attitudes to immigration, and insisted the massive influx would never be allowed to happen again.

It comes after migrant Rakhmat Akilov from Uzbekistan drove a stolen 30-tonne truck into pedestrians at a busy department store in Stockholm on Friday.

Sweden will ?NEVER GO BACK? to mass immigration after Stockholm terror, says shocked PM | World | News | Express.co.uk

Bit late now & not only for Sweden methinks.
 

bal canavar

“Je suis l'humanité.”
Swedish Terror Attack
Sweden will ‘NEVER GO BACK’ to mass immigration after Stockholm terror, says shocked PM.

The UK..ip Express at its journalistic worst with above headline ,followed by others mainly on the right , even the fool Trump jnr quotes the Express on Twitter...

The Swedish PM full statement read .... : “Sweden will never go back to the [mass migration] we had in autumn 2015, never................................... followed by Everyone who has been denied a permit should return home.


Express only chose part of the statement which misleads ( MISSING OUT WE HAD IN 2015 ) and the word was NEVER rearranged added to the end

2015 WAS IN REF.... WHEN SWEDEN HAD ITS PEAK and BEFORE THE 2016 CHANGES if you don't know what he was talking about ..... what it portrays is a misleading play on words , I suppose only to expected by the UK.ip express ,,,,

SO true they won't return to the soft refugee choice and peak 2015 NEVER but stick with the 2016 revision of bringing numbers down and tighting of rules . The 2015 peak numbers were unsustainable as they were taking in more refugees per population (and a bind finacially) than the rest in Europe countries.. a totally diffrent statement from the one the Express stated


In the local Swedish Newspapers the PM is saying ....... Sverige ska fortsätta ta emot flyktingar............ Sweden should continue to accept refugees but would need Eu to help financially.

Swedish prime minister, Stefan Löfven spoke.
"We will never give into violence. We will never let terror prevail," said Wanngård. "Stockholm will remain an open and tolerant city."


Löfven vill att EU betalar för flyktingar | Nyheter | Expressen
 

eliza

Member
Swedish Terror Attack
I thought it outrageous that the Swedish PM told the population attending the remembrance event that they should forget politics and just remember how they love Sweden .... politics and taking decisions is the only way to solve these problems, not with all this pious rubbish, if you love your country, you have to defend it, but Sweden has a history of neutrality and have no real experience of this ...
 

Spurs

Spurs
Swedish Terror Attack
I thought it outrageous that the Swedish PM told the population attending the remembrance event that they should forget politics and just remember how they love Sweden .... politics and taking decisions is the only way to solve these problems, not with all this pious rubbish, if you love your country, you have to defend it, but Sweden has a history of neutrality and have no real experience of this ...

Same old, same old from people who move around freely WITH BODYGUARDS.

Flowers, hand holding, tears, speeches & vigils..............all accompanying a body count.
The question is, is a free & open society now becoming a danger to those who have lived in it all of their lives?
As dreadful that ALL these attacks have been, they're nothing compared to what happens in the ME & Asia etc................I fear those will come sooner or later, if not why not?

Regards to Sweden remaining an "open country", bit of a joke that statement, its in Schengen................its got no choice in the matter, its called free movement.
 
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tintagel

Member
Swedish Terror Attack
Sweden will ‘NEVER GO BACK’ to mass immigration after Stockholm terror, says shocked PM.

The UK..ip Express at its journalistic worst with above headline ,followed by others mainly on the right , even the fool Trump jnr quotes the Express on Twitter...

The Swedish PM full statement read .... : “Sweden will never go back to the [mass migration] we had in autumn 2015, never................................... followed by Everyone who has been denied a permit should return home.


Express only chose part of the statement which misleads ( MISSING OUT WE HAD IN 2015 ) and the word was NEVER rearranged added to the end

2015 WAS IN REF.... WHEN SWEDEN HAD ITS PEAK and BEFORE THE 2016 CHANGES if you don't know what he was talking about ..... what it portrays is a misleading play on words , I suppose only to expected by the UK.ip express ,,,,

SO true they won't return to the soft refugee choice and peak 2015 NEVER but stick with the 2016 revision of bringing numbers down and tighting of rules . The 2015 peak numbers were unsustainable as they were taking in more refugees per population (and a bind finacially) than the rest in Europe countries.. a totally diffrent statement from the one the Express stated


In the local Swedish Newspapers the PM is saying ....... Sverige ska fortsätta ta emot flyktingar............ Sweden should continue to accept refugees but would need Eu to help financially.

Swedish prime minister, Stefan Löfven spoke.
"We will never give into violence. We will never let terror prevail," said Wanngård. "Stockholm will remain an open and tolerant city."


Löfven vill att EU betalar för flyktingar | Nyheter | Expressen

Disseminate & prattle all you like about the source Bal, but it really doesn't change one iota the real problems Sweden has Got to deal with!

The social experiment of Mass Migration (a la George Soros school of thought) Ain't Working for the indigenous peoples.......... The Swedish Socilaist Democratic government has a Lot more to worry about than, any perceived nuances in MSM reporting of the facts................

"STOCKHOLM — Sweden’s left has a plan for the future: poach the most high-profile political ideas from the right.

When Prime Minister Stefan Löfven convenes his Social Democrats for a party congress in Gothenburg this week, expect promises to crack down on crime, toughen up border controls and increase defense spending.

For Löfven, a former welder and metal workers’ union boss — and one of the few leftist national leaders in Europe — the message of social equality has taken a backseat to law and order.

At the party congress Saturday, Löfven will pitch voters that, in this topsy-turvy world, Social Democrats are the firm hand on the tiller that Sweden needs."

Swedish PM?s pledge: No more Mr. Nice Guy ? POLITICO

More money needed for migrants from the EU pot, is Exactly what George Soros advocates.............. From memory Soros suggested a figure of 10 - 15,000 euro's each for the first 2 years. Who pays your wages?
 

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