Saoirse

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On the contrary it goes a lot deeper than that issue.

Fgs just ask a growing number of his own Mps.!!!

Ask the unions what they think of him!

Ask poverty groups and those seeking help for minority groups what their opinion is of starmer!!


Ask those who oppose one of the most criminal regimes on the planet in Tel Aviv- what they think of him!!!

Ask those in your own party who he promised when he being elected leader what they think of him regarding his U turns- on everything from freedom of movement to nationalisation - to I fear his next about face on HOL reform.

So my own political interests are neglible in the great scheme of things

Frankly when so many ordinary British people view him with utter contempt there's no need to add us Irish.

Staying on topic his upcoming tweedle Tweedledum act with truss will also highlight what's viewed as his arrogance and contempt for mandate etc North of the Border
 

Camden

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On the contrary it goes a lot deeper than that issue.

Fgs just ask a growing number of his own Mps.!!!

Ask the unions what they think of him!

Ask poverty groups and those seeking help for minority groups what their opinion is of starmer!!


Ask those who oppose one of the most criminal regimes on the planet in Tel Aviv- what they think of him!!!

Ask those in your own party who he promised when he being elected leader what they think of him regarding his U turns- on everything from freedom of movement to nationalisation - to I fear his next about face on HOL reform.

So my own political interests are neglible in the great scheme of things

Frankly when so many ordinary British people view him with utter contempt there's no need to add us Irish.

Staying on topic his upcoming tweedle Tweedledum act with truss will also highlight what's viewed as his arrogance and contempt for mandate etc North of the Border

No one is denying there is some truth in what you are saying... but these policies have nothing to do with the independence of the thread.

But I know as much as you do, even if we had a new Labour leader whose policies differed from Starmer's but were still for retaining the Union you would not be supporting him/her ??... but deriding them, if you were honest
 

Saoirse

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Lol.

That's a peculiar way of defending him!!!

Most of working class Britain have a problem with him but Irish Republicans can't???

He's a waste of space for England Scotland or Ireland.

The saddest bit is you know that yourself!!!!
 

Camden

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Lol.

That's a peculiar way of defending him!!!

Most of working class Britain have a problem with him but Irish Republicans can't???

He's a waste of space for England Scotland or Ireland.

The saddest bit is you know that yourself!!!!

Maybe as peculiar as the way you didn't answer but deflected the question? :)
 

Saoirse

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Lol.

Which of his " qualities" I listed above am I wrong about Camden???

The workers of your own country already despise him for turning Judas on the strikers yet you reckon as,a Irish Republican I shouldn't have a beef with him!!!

The ironic thing is getting back to the thread with him and truss as examples for staying with the sinking ship their arrogant double act will be mana from heaven for the case for Scottish Independence!!!
 

Camden

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The SNP Ferry Fiasco is having consequences for the Scots that live on the Isles .

Even when they bought with taxpayers' money ( of course) a Shipyard, after the SNP leader's friend and Party donor failed to deliver ... they are doing no better with the delivery of two new vessels for devolved state-controlled ferry operator CalMac running over five years late .... with the price soaring from £97m to at least £240m. One expert has tipped it to top £400m. And the rusting hulks sitting in the yard...

.And whilst waiting on the new vessels
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THE COST of repairs to ferries run by state-controlled ferry operator CalMac has more than tripled in a decade as age takes its toll on Scotland’s ferry fleet.

Scottish Government-owned ferry operator CalMac spent more than £28.5m on repairs to their vessels last year, compared with just £9.5m in 2011.

The official figures show that repair costs have soared since the SNP came to power, with total spending running to nearly £220m since 2007.

In 2022, some 17 of state-owned ferry operator CalMac's 31 working ferries deployed across Scotland was over its 25-year-old life expectancy. The oldest in the CalMac fleet is is the Isle of Cumbrae which 46 years old.

 

Saoirse

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Lest we forget Brown Johnson May all actually toured Scotland at time of Indy Ref 1

The tory/ tory lite alliance gave a stark message- Its absolutely imperative for Scotlands future to be members of the EU.
Scotland will thrive as part of the European Union and its future would be disastrous outside it

At Brexit vote the Scots overwhelmingly recognized their future indeed needed EU membership and voted heavily to remain.

So were the Tory alliance lying then or now.

Such a catastrophic and seismic change to Scotlands status obviously necessitates the Indy Ref being revisited.

Tory alliance joint position- we wont "allow you" democracy. Doesn't matter what way we lied to you. You cannot even explore your future .

This from the English SW1 parties with negligible representation in Scotland.

Now the prospective new English PM categorically states when it comes to the Scottish party overwhelmingly elected to Westminister to represent Scots- 76% of Scottish Mp seats are SNP-the peoples choice should simply be ignored

English politico democracy- dont you just love it
 
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Camden

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I wonder what the SNP meme refers to? what is it based on? ...easy for it to say with "no show and tell "

The comparison is difficult to prove..... As each devolved administration Scotland, Wales, and NI produce their own separate index of multiple Deprivation score stats.

And these statistics are generated based on local definitions, some better tailored to the needs of that area.

So it is a problem for organizations trying to compile Comparision National Stats, based on the varied data produced by the separate nations As it often doesn't have a single benchmark comparison to give the data they require.

The data for different nations often measure similar concepts but then branches off in incompatible ways. This failure to use consistent measures often gives misleading results if presented together.

The link given from the living wage commission is no help either........... apart from being out of date ..... nor a comparison list to show the SNP's 15-year claim. No 2007 List or anything to back up the SNP's Meme's claim ... :)
 
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Camden

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SQA exam results pass rate drops from last year with poorest pupils hardest hit​

Scottish Labour accused the SNP led Scottish Government of reverting "to a system that penalizes the poorest young people in Scotland".



 

Saoirse

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I do laugh when I read those highlighting the various SNP failures and suggesting Westminsters rule is better.

Like many sub administrations SNP clearly have some serious issues to rectify, but let's get real

Obviously it's inevitable supporters of both Westminster conservative parties now will gloss over their appalling record as the 2 groups are now almost indistinguishable

UK government currently is possibly the most corrupt regime in Europe

It's record on the economy environment health education etc is horrendous.

Accountability is non existent with untold billions wastedr or corruptly given in dodgy contracts to party donors. Society is more split than in decades with the rich/ poor divide at its highest ever

Greedy corporates have record profits whilst workers elderly infirm and unemployed are absolutely struggling.

UK faces a probable and justified winter of industrial action fuel poverty and energy chaos.

It will not have gone unnoticed by Scottish workers that when the forthcoming battle between greedy companies placating rich shareholders versus workers on poverty wages- which side the joke Westminster opposition has clearly shown it will be taking.

The stooge opposition has also been upfront in stating should they ever stumble into power it will be more of the same conservative policies after the latest round of about turns from lecky Starmer with no nationalisation, no moves towards freedom of movement, no move away from hard Brexit, and definitely no standing with the workers in current and upcoming struggles

Add the greatest act of self harm ever inflicted to an economy- Brexit, a Little Englander act of suicide- to the mix and it's laughable for anyone to suggest Westminster rule is better for Scotland!!


PS Todays headlines alone should be enough for you to grasp how the SW1 politicos run a government
Thanks but no thanks!!!

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Sha Hoorsur

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Isn’t it just typical, there’s always a little Englander telling the Scots where they’re going wrong. In there own little heads they think they know what’s best for our little bit of the country, and we’re incapable of running our own affairs. The undeniable truth is, if Scotland was really such a drain on the UK economy as the critics would like us to believe, the ruling elite would have packed us off years ago. Little England is absolutely determined to keep Scotland tied to Westminster and they will try every trick, every bit of dis-information and every downright lie they can think of to keep us on the leash.

If the SNP can broker even the hint of an agreement regarding reunification with Europe, the result of any referendum will be a foregone conclusion. And do you know the most laughable fact of the whole independence debate? When we do become independent, there will be a mass immigration from England into Scotland. 😆
 

Saoirse

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Sha that was a game set and match post.

Right on the money.

It's interesting that both in Edinburgh and Belfast those seeking constitutional change are indeed stressing the return to EU aspect of any new arrangements.

Furthermore the EU itself and the Celtic diaspora in US have already made positive overtures to calls for assistance and investment regarding new arrangements
 

Camden

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Ha ha... the "pot calling the kettle black" saying no fellow Brits should be allowed to comment on the devolved administration's failures ... censored

This when the SNP Administration's every excuse for bad governance is blamed on Westminster,( which at times has substance with Tory rule ) .. but the SNP have to take responsibility for their own mistakes the ones they Govern, and apply policy they don't.

Nor does it seem they like anyone else pointing it out. Especially they're fellow Brits even though they are reflecting the views and Twitter posts of many Scots..

But it's OK for the Nats themselves and their MP's in Westminster to comment and voting on the business of the other three Nation's policies and do ...So should grow a pair and accept critical views of their own Administration.

The SNP bang on about Democracy ( but it seems it doesn't filter down to their own supporters, in not wanting to hear the views of others )

It seems god forgive someone from one of the other three Nations in the Union, having a say or actually highlighting the normally unheard Scottish majority .... in what they are thinking or complaining about in their devolved Nat Administrations Governance in posts ( happy though to apply a dispensation to a fellow Nationalist little Irelander with his own agenda, being allowed to voice a view, possibly as he is willing like his fellow Nationalists to apply that double standard... in disregarding nor applying any critical thinking in reference to the SNP Admin )

So this is SNP Democracy in action? no voice given to the opposition ... sounds about right for the SNP government which has a culture of secrecy and cover-up.
 
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Saoirse

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Unfortunately for labour they themselves have several problems in relation to this current diabolical government they want to continue imposing upon Scotland.

Despite being one of the most poor performing regimes in Britain in decades as a so called opposition labour have been entirely useless in holding them to account

One can draw ones own conclusion is that down to them simply being extremely ineffectual as an opposition or is it more worryingly because ideologically they are now not far enough distanced from the Tory crooks to create any disruption or call the Tory narrative to account.

A further and more fundamental problem for labour is basically under Starmer they are now not offering anything radically different than the status quo in political direction.

Starmer has been at pains to highlight there will be no radical change on a plethora of fronts most strikingly with his position of even attempting to reduce the wrongs of hard Brexit or indeed be solidly beside the workers in their inevitable showdowns against employers corporate greed the real cause of poverty and inequality.

Its lamentable that against this backdrop we in recent days have Labour bleating to the Scots that labour cant get rid of the Tories by themselves, partly because they have morphed into Tory lite themselves.

Effectively they are asking the Scots to remain with them on their broken insular Disunited Kingdom sinking ship rather than the Scots seek self rule giving proper accountability and a more prosperous outward looking future with other nations in tandem with the EU

 
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