Saoirse

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If Scotland ever gets independence you will rapidly see free education and prescriptions disappear and taxes rise even further. In my opinion she is corrupt beyond belief.
3 posts which perfectly highlight the ignorance of the arrogant English political classes


Like shooting fish in a barrel-Yes Juco its unfortunate north of the border the administration isnt as honest trustworthy appropriate and accountable as the current regime in Westminster!!!

As regards labour supporters daring to even mention having any care or indeed connection with the working man and his current struggle re equality- I simply refer you to Labours attitude to the current justifiable RMT dispute where Tory Starmer has disgracefully banned his Tory lite Mps from even standing in solidarity with the strikers

Labour a Party for the workers- dont make me laugh- plus you mention BNP? - another own goal!!

I think you will find they UKIP EDL DUP etc are ALL staunch Unionists - lovely company you keep on this one!!!!

As regards Mushrooms anti Scot racist verbal diarrhea ( you onboard with that outburst Camden lol) be it English tory or Tory lite we expect nothing less and it in turn highlights rather constant undertone of racism in the tweedledee tweedledum bipartisan guff from Westminister elitist buffoons

And then they wonder why both Tory parties get annihilated at the polls in Scotland!!!
 
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Mushroom

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With the supposed rampant support for the SNP, anyone should expect that a NATIONAL party would absolutely obliterate any opposition to break away from the union, but yet they didn't and if there is a second referendum, they still won't.
That is the amount of faith they have in the wee Kranky and her bent bunch in actually having total control of the country.
In other words, we want to be a stand alone nation but we don't mind if we can have some English dosh because we will never generate enough income ourselves.
Hypocrites or deluded, it matters not ? Just take your Irn Bru and go.
 

juco

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That is the amount of faith they have in the wee Kranky and her bent bunch in actually having total control of the country.
If Nicola were to be replaced I reckon SNP would win the referendum, those behind independence would still vote for it, but many others are against it because they do not trust N Sturgeon`s ability to run the country based on her track record.
 

Mushroom

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If Nicola were to be replaced I reckon SNP would win the referendum, those behind independence would still vote for it, but many others are against it because they do not trust N Sturgeon`s ability to run the country based on her track record.
Scotland has the same problem as England. Get rid of a bent leader, but no-one capable or trustworthy to take their place. On that basis, the next referendum , if it ever happens, will bomb again because the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
 

Camden

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3 posts which perfectly highlight the ignorance of the arrogant English political classes


Like shooting fish in a barrel-Yes Juco its unfortunate north of the border the administration isnt as honest trustworthy appropriate and accountable as the current regime in Westminster!!!

As regards labour supporters daring to even mention having any care or indeed connection with the working man and his current struggle re equality- I simply refer you to Labours attitude to the current justifiable RMT dispute where Tory Starmer has disgracefully banned his Tory lite Mps from even standing in solidarity with the strikers

Labour a Party for the workers- dont make me laugh- plus you mention BNP? - another own goal!!

I think you will find they UKIP EDL DUP etc are ALL staunch Unionists - lovely company you keep on this one!!!!

As regards Mushrooms anti Scot racist verbal diarrhea ( you onboard with that outburst Camden lol) be it English tory or Tory lite we expect nothing less and it in turn highlights rather constant undertone of racism in the tweedledee tweedledum bipartisan guff from Westminister elitist buffoons

And then they wonder why both Tory parties get annihilated at the polls in Scotland!!!

You must have had to bit your tongue Saoirse to admit this bit of truth? ref the track record, whilst selectively omitting the party name the SNP ... " Saoirse said .. its unfortunate north of the border the administration isnt as honest trustworthy".

but of course being English you can't say the same as a member of a countries wide National political party, without being tarred as a member of the " arrogant English political classes"

Only the Irish & Scot Nationalists are allowed a weak non named party criticism..... talk about a Nationalist;s double standard. on elitism ... how Elitist is that ? only Irish & Scottish Nationalists

Then we see Saoirse ignore the racist elements in the SNP with his usual whataboutisn on others. As if any racism right .....

Instead he try's to link a vote to retain the Union to being extreme ... and extremist groups DUP ETC ....Knowing there were many Republican extremist and terror groups but they don't represent of all who vote for a republic.... that Nationalist double standard in play...

You also notice our overseas NAT .. ignores a whole tranche of Scots who prefer to stay in the Union, many ordinary working class day to day people ...

He Prefers to portray them in the extreme comparing them to the extreme Irish DUP etc even though their is no well supported Party in Scotland that follows the extreme DUP policies ... as highlighting the moderation of Scots wanting to retain the Union ... would spoil the ugly Nationalist narrative... And needed to deflect from their own SNP extremists ...

Another Nationalist tactic is make the attack personal, to pathetically degrade their credibility, by the use of ethnic Nationalism. attacking their race, political following, question their Patriotism ..( similar tactic used by Brexiteers) they can't counter in moderate terms.

As they don't have a counter to the Bad Governance of Scotland, being now felt by the Scots at the hands of the SNP ...
 
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Saoirse

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Lol

Well you least learned something from my post- not to embarrass yourself attempting to promote labour as being even mildly Socialist or on the side of workers after their recent disgraceful positioning re the heroic RMT!!!!!

As regards your other waffle one does have to ask what colour is the sky in your world- you tell us in Scotland the SNP are rubbish corrupt hated etc and that Scots actually really prefer the elitist Southern tories Conservative and Tory lite

Can you explain then why both those arrogant elitist English parties get trounced time and time again by SNP at the polls?

I understand democracy is alien to Unionists thinking- they certainly refuse to accept election results!!- but I suggest you concern yourself as to why labour get annihilated at the polls in Scotland- they dont even disguise their contempt for democracy in Belfast as their arrogance has them feel entitled to rule there too without even exposing themselves to the electorate!!!
 

Camden

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Lol

Well you least learned something from my post- not to embarrass yourself attempting to promote labour as being even mildly Socialist or on the side of workers after their recent disgraceful positioning re the heroic RMT!!!!!

As regards your other waffle one does have to ask what colour is the sky in your world- you tell us in Scotland the SNP are rubbish corrupt hated etc and that Scots actually really prefer the elitist Southern tories Conservative and Tory lite

Can you explain then why both those arrogant elitist English parties get trounced time and time again by SNP at the polls?

I understand democracy is alien to Unionists thinking- they certainly refuse to accept election results!!- but I suggest you concern yourself as to why labour get annihilated at the polls in Scotland- they dont even disguise their contempt for democracy in Belfast as their arrogance has them feel entitled to rule there too without even exposing themselves to the electorate!!!

And we have seen and learned on your distraction methods when unable to counter, and running on empty by not answering the actual post .... but bringing in some things with nothing to do with the thread. The Title ...SNP going backwards sorry forwards... sic ... but maybe due to lack of knowledge and counter argument ..Sad.

Your generalisation on people that vote to retain the Union ... shows that overseas out of touch mentality .

As seen nationally in voting and voters are fickle and unfortunately are conned by the propaganda etc and we see it both in Scotland & England is not based on performance and good Governance nor even the waste in taxpayers money ... as we have seen both the SNP bad governance and the Tory bad Governance and waste of Taxpayers money ... still many fooled ...
 
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Saoirse

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Yip there you go again -can’t accept facts so the English political elitist arrogance comes to the top- Scots don’t know any better cos they soundly reject both Tory parties !!!!

I actually think labours approach to avoid any charge of having a negligible vote in Belfast is an even better Baldrickesque tactic-don’t have your party even exist there, but still claim you have a mandate to rule there!!!
 

Camden

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Yip there you go again -can’t accept facts so the English political elitist arrogance comes to the top- Scots don’t know any better cos they soundly reject both Tory parties !!!!

I actually think labours approach to avoid any charge of having a negligible vote in Belfast is an even better Baldrickesque tactic-don’t have your party even exist there, but still claim you have a mandate to rule there!!!

Who said that ? again your lack of comprehension to the fore .. projecting your own rubbish onto the poster, as your running on empty in counter...

Have they moved Belfast to Scotland ? as this is a Scottish thread ... Mr Mod keep on track ..:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Yawn ....
 

Saoirse

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Alas it’s yourself who also mentioned Irish Republicans in your post above-but never let facts get in the way

‘Tis the Unionist way Of doing things

If the poll results aren’t acceptable always use arrogance to “ explain” them away
 

Tenpin

The Yorkshireman
Scotland - SNP....What Next

Scottish Government’s top legal adviser believes Sturgeon’s Referendum Bill could be unlawful​



Extract:
Lord Advocate Dorothy Bain QC does not have necessary “confidence” in bill’s legality forcing First Minister to seek Supreme Court ruling.

Nicola Sturgeon’s most senior legal adviser refused to sign off the First Minister’s plan for a second Scottish independence referendum because she doubted whether Holyrood had the power to hold such a vote.

Court papers published on Tuesday revealed that the Lord Advocate, Dorothy Bain QC, did not have the necessary “confidence” in the legality of the Referendum Bill to give the Scottish Government the green light to introduce it.

Her reluctance meant that Ms Sturgeon had no option but to request that Ms Bain referred the legislation directly to the Supreme Court for a ruling on whether it was lawful, a decision she announced last week.
 

Mushroom

Member
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Boris eventually fell on his sword due to his bad memory. He couldn't remember all the key answers to key questions. Didn't a certain wee Kranky suffer from the same a while ago? Do they all go to the same 'Memory (or lack of it) Clinic' ?
 

Camden

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Boris eventually fell on his sword due to his bad memory. He couldn't remember all the key answers to key questions. Didn't a certain wee Kranky suffer from the same a while ago? Do they all go to the same 'Memory (or lack of it) Clinic' ?

I think this is what you meant 50 times when giving evidence to the same committee she couldn't remember ironically highlighted by the Tories ...... both Boris & Sturgeon use the same tactic ... conveniently forget or don't know .. either demented or dementia .... or could it be they are just simple liars ?



 
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Camden

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Boris Johnson and Nicola Sturgeon are dishonest populists and it's time for both their clown shows to end​

By Susan Dalgety


Boris Johnson, and the wildly ambitious herd of mediocre politicians who want to succeed you as Prime Minister? And yes you, Nicola Sturgeon.

Decency, honesty and integrity. Values we expect from a first-year apprentice electrician, but ones that our current crop of political leaders have ditched in favour of division, incivility and lies.

Pitching people against each other has become the governing principle at Westminster and Holyrood. Populist nationalism is the new creed by which all policies are measured.

Brexit will lead to greater prosperity, promised Johnson, Farage, et al. Six years later and Britain has the highest inflation of the G7 countries and small businesses – the backbone of our economy – are struggling to cope with the red tape generated by being outside the single market. But never mind, cry the Brexiteers, your passport (if it ever arrives) is British.

Leave the UK and our public services, our welfare system and our economy will flourish, promises

Sturgeon in a script eerily reminiscent of that used by Johnson during the Brexit campaign. What she does not mention is that the London School of Economics calculate that the cost to Scotland of leaving the UK will be two or three times that of Brexit. But never mind, cry the nationalists, your passport with have a Saltire on the cover.

Decency has more or less disappeared from our political lexicon. Johnson is a serial adulterer, and rumours persist about the number of his children he has fathered, but for an electorate addicted to reality television, his chaotic private life seemed to enhance his reputation, not damage it.

As for the SNP government, they have given up all pretence of decency. Sturgeon may lead a blameless life, but she presides over a tawdry cabal of sexual abusers. As we watched Johnson’s downfall unfold, the young victim of sexual harassment by the SNP’s former chief whip at Westminster was threatened with disciplinary action for speaking out. Let me repeat. The victim of sexual harassment was threatened with disciplinary action.

And then there are the lies, damn lies and even more lies. Johnson lied so much that dishonesty became part of his personal brand, along with his ridiculous haircut. Sturgeon, on the other hand, has a much more sophisticated approach to the truth.


Only last year she told a Holyrood inquiry, under oath, that she had not been aware of any allegations of sexually inappropriate behaviour by her close friend and mentor, Alex Salmond, until 2017. As I wrote at the time, I heard of specific incidents in 2009, as did many others. I am telling the truth.

And her entire political enterprise is based on one big lie of omission. She promises that Scotland outside the UK will be wealthier, healthier and happier than it is now. Yet she knows that, for at least the first few decades after independence, Scotland’s economy will struggle to meet a government’s most basic obligations, such as the state pension.

Her government’s proposition, that leaving the UK will not come at significant cost to the Scottish people, is as dishonest as Johnson’s promise that Brexit would release £350 million a week for the NHS
; Sturgeon is just much more sophisticated in her sleight of hand.

Earlier this week, the First Minister argued that the Westminster system is broken. “We need an alternative,” she insisted. I would suggest that neither Westminster nor Holyrood are broken beyond repair.

Instead our political system has been hijacked by a generation of populist politicians who view integrity as negotiable and enthusiastically bend the truth to suit their personal and political agenda.

Surely it’s time to bring down the curtain on the entire clown show.

 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Scotland - SNP....What Next
Another one to get shared!! The BBC and The Daily Mail etc definitely won’t be telling your wee NO voting Auntie Mavis this anytime soon!!
DEFINITELY worth a 2 minute read.......
Most Scots are completely unaware that there's more money sitting in tax revenue within Scotland's Bonded Warehouses than the UK currently holds in Gold reserves sitting in the Bank of England!
Scotland currently has the equivalent of 12 billion bottles of whisky sitting in casks in our secure bonded warehouses. This whisky must be laid down for a minimum period of 3 years in order to be called Scotch Whisky - so let's consider this as a very important financial asset sitting in a secure vault.
This whisky can't go anywhere until matured but the quantifiable projected tax revenue on this valuable asset is obviously significantly important to the UK Treasury.
Whilst we'd obviously need to look at the difference in taxation between the duty on whisky exports and what is sold within the UK domestic market as these vary significantly depending on the whisky's final destination - if for instance we were simply to apply the current UK spirit duty of £10.55 per bottle this ammounts to a staggering .....
£126 Billion in tax revenue alone!
Now, as I said - adjustments need to be made when looking at duty regarding how much is exported compared to domestic market sales etc and whilst this figure above will obviously change significantly, it will still be worth far in excess of the UK's gold reserves and at least gives us an idea of just how valuable this whisky is to the UK economy.
To give you a very rough comparison of just how important the whisky in Scotland's bonded warehouses actually is, let's compare it to the UK's Gold reserves.
The UK today holds only 310 tonnes of gold in the vaults of the Bank of England. (Gordon Brown apparently sold off much of the UK's gold)
Please note that many small countries choose to store their gold in the Bank of England - so a quick Google search will state Bank of England holds £200Billion in Gold - sadly, it doesn't all belong to the UK!!
At £46,000,000 per tonne this equates to UK gold reserves of somewhere around £14Billion as gold prices fluctuate on a daily basis.
Now, obviously gold reserves are an important asset for any country's economy - so it makes you wonder that with so few gold reserves just how much the UK Government has borrowed using the tax revenue from the "liquid gold" sitting in Scotland's bonded warehouses as collateral?
Germany currently holds the 2nd largest gold reserves in the world after the USA.
The tax alone on the "liquid gold" Scotland has in assets sitting in our bonded warehouses probably wouldn't put this liquid gold value too far down the list behind Germany's actual gold valuation!
The UK is down at 16th on the list of countries Gold reserve values ..... UK is now beneath countries like Turkey and Uzbekistan.
It's also important to appreciate that gold reserves are an asset which is ring fenced - meaning they sit within a vault helping to prop up the country's economy. The whisky we hold in the bonded warehouses is a replenishable asset. As one cask is bottled or sold and the all important tax/duty paid, yet more whisky is produced daily and another cask simply takes its place.
When we're looking at the tax value of whisky it's also important to consider that most of the UK's "white spirit" (Gin, Vodka, Bacardi etc) is also produced in Scotland's distilleries - as an example, 70% of Gin is manufactured in Scotland.
Same spirit tax tariff is applied to all of these bottles of spirits too. But as they are bottled at source rather than stored in casks sitting in a bonded warehouse, it would appear that white spirits don't have the same perceived projected long term tax valuation which can be used as collateral for borrowing purposes as the liquid gold product already sitting within Scotland's secure vault like bonded warehouses.
And yet people still question if Scotland could actually stand on its own two feet! I think it's pretty clear why Westminster doesn't want to lose Scotland!!
Plebiscite Election next GE!!
 

Akasya

Postless Pointer
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Just because whisky bond is situated in Scotland does not mean it is Scots owned , J G Smith and Son Bristo ,l and Diageo are huge purchasers of whisky forwards , for blending into in house brands .
Steve
 

Camden

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BREAKING The SNP led Scottish Government has suspended its super sponsor scheme for Ukrainian refugees – just weeks after denying that it was drawing up plans to do so



Well, why wouldn’t she? She got the associated publicity making the original claim

Make an announcement, look for a chance when the press are busy then quietly pull the plug....repeat ad infinitum!

Then Blame Westminster ?

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In March Nicola Sturgeon said there should be 'no limit' on the number of Ukrainians taken in by the UK...and yet a few months later the ScotGov's much-heralded (by Sturgeon) #supersponsor scheme is now Suspended..
 
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