yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Scotland - SNP....What Next
After the election............
maybe, I don't know the answer to that, I doubt it would have much impact if it was before, lots of Indies up here don't like her, or Salmond for that matter, they seem to see them as the conduit to independence, we both have votes and are as of yet undecided, the DRoss child is unlikely to get a look in though.
 

Camden

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The enquiry was agreed and voted through the Parliament on the 4th November 2020, it will happen
maybe, I don't know the answer to that, I doubt it would have much impact if it was before, lots of Indies up here don't like her, or Salmond for that matter, they seem to see them as the conduit to independence, we both have votes and are as of yet undecided, the DRoss child is unlikely to get a look in though.

Maybe should read what Sturgeon said ....

Scottish Government’s ‘arrogant reluctance’ to start care homes inquiry​

Nicola Sturgeon has been accused of kicking the Scottish Parliament’s call for an immediate public inquiry into the coronavirus care home “scandal” into the long grass.

Conservative health spokesman Donald Cameron said the first minister had failed to reassure relatives of care home residents after raising care home deaths at First Minister’s Questions.

Mr Cameron questioned Ms Sturgeon the day after the Scottish Government was defeated in a Holyrood vote on the issue.
Ms Sturgeon has argued that care home fatalities should be included when an inquiry into the Scottish Government’s overall handling of the pandemic takes place.

A Conservative motion proposing an “immediate public inquiry to find out what happened in Scotland’s care homes during the course of the pandemic, which resulted in the deaths of more than 2,000 residents” – was passed by 64 votes to one, with 57 abstentions.

An amendment from Health Secretary Jeane Freeman saying a coronavirus public inquiry should be held “as quickly as is practicable, once the country is through the immediacy of dealing with the pandemic” was narrowly rejected, with MSPs voting by 60 votes to 62 against this.

The government’s defeat came the week after Public Health Scotland data showed 113 patients who had tested positive for Covid-19 were transferred from hospitals to care homes.

A further 3,061 people were discharged from hospitals and into homes without being tested at all.
At First Minister’s Questions, Ms Sturgeon said the government was exploring whether a public inquiry into care home deaths could cover all four nations of the UK.
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Scotland’s First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon.She said Health Secretary Jeane Freeman has written to her counterparts in England, Wales and Northern Ireland on the issue.

Sturgeon seeks discussions with UK nations on inquiry​

Ms Sturgeon said the Scottish Government has “long been clear we would be instigating a public inquiry into all aspects of the response to and impact of Covid, and that includes care homes”.

But she said ministers will “take note of the views of Parliament” after the Holyrood vote.

She added: “Because of that this morning the Health Secretary has written to counterparts in the Northern Irish, Welsh and UK governments to seek early discussions on whether and how such an inquiry could be established on a four-nations basis.”

In addition to Ms Freeman contacting other UK health ministers, Ms Sturgeon said the Health Secretary will also be seeking talks with her opposition counterparts.

But the first minister added: “As all members of the chamber know, to establish a statutory public inquiry takes certain steps and cannot simply be done overnight.

“But our commitment to doing that, and to doing that as quickly as possible, while ensuring those on the frontline in any capacity can continue to focus on getting the country through the second wave of Covid, our commitment to doing that is absolute.”

‘An arrogant reluctance’​

Speaking after their exchange at Holyrood, Mr Cameron said the Scottish Government should “think again” and establish an inquiry without further delay.

Mr Cameron said: “Parliament voted for a public inquiry into the care homes scandal in Scotland to begin immediately.
“Yet less than 24 hours later, this jaded SNP government has again demonstrated an arrogant reluctance to do the right thing.

“Today’s answer from the First Minister said nothing of substance and did nothing to reassure the relatives of those who died. Instead, it showed the SNP just want to kick this into the long grass.

“This tin-eared defiance will not wash and I would urge the SNP to think again. This is now a matter of public trust.
“Parliament has spoken and those who have lost loved ones expect the inquiry to begin without any further delay.”

 
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yalimart

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She has clearly said there will be an inquiry, your post alludes to that. not sure of the relevance of the second quote though
 

Camden

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She has clearly said there will be an inquiry, your post alludes to that. not sure of the relevance of the second quote though

The Opposition asked for, and defeated the SNP on a vote on the motion for an immediate inquiry into care homes , first the motion not been implemented as asked, an immediate inquiry ....... The SNP also tried to amend in a typical delaying tactic with “as quickly as is practicable, once the country is through the immediacy of dealing with the pandemic” again... this delaying tactic was also defeated in a vote ......... She has said the vote has been noted .. but still delaying with political speak and waffle kicking into the long grass .... a refusal to implement a legitimate vote ....
 
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yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
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The Opposition asked for, and defeated the SNP on a vote for, an immediate inquiry into care homes , first the vote has not been implemented as asked an immediate inquiry ....... The SNP also tried to amend in a typical delaying tactic with “as quickly as is practicable, once the country is through the immediacy of dealing with the pandemic” again... this delaying tactic was also defeated in a vote ......... She has said the vote has been noted .. but still delaying with political speak and waffle kicking into the long grass .... a refusal to implement a legitimate vote ....
So I am correct, she has accepted there will be an inquiry, just not when, if she is in contempt then that should be dealt with, has she actually said "I refuse to implement the legitimate vote" ? I don't think she has, nor does anything you have posted, I don't think she is that stupid, funnily enough nor do her enemies.
I am not an SNP supporter so don't generally follow them, however with the upcoming vote maybe I should.
 

Camden

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So I am correct, she has accepted there will be an inquiry, just not when, if she is in contempt then that should be dealt with, has she actually said "I refuse to implement the legitimate vote" ? I don't think she has, nor does anything you have posted, I don't think she is that stupid, funnily enough nor do her enemies.
I am not an SNP supporter so don't generally follow them, however with the upcoming vote maybe I should.

Yes, used the words without intention, nor to the letter of the motion defeated on ....... SNP arrogance .... saying yes, holds a responsibility.
 
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immac

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From The Scotsman:

"Scottish election 2021: Hopes for SNP majority continue to fade as more support slips away, shows poll​

SNP hopes of a majority at next month’s Holyrood elections continue to fade as another poll shows the party is set to narrowly miss out on returning more than 65 MSPs."​


"Scots remain broadly split on independence, according to the poll. However, support for No has grown since the last poll in this series at the start of April.
Support for the union is now on 48 per cent, with those stating they would vote Yes now sitting at 45 per cent, with a further 8 per cent saying they did not know."


Ian
 

Saoirse

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Using online filter technology I can see through the envelop and yI can see your beloved Labour have got your vote!!!!
 

Camden

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I hope it is the case the Scots follow George Galloway's lead in saying "I cannot accept the division of our people on false self-serving pretexts. I am Scottish, British, working class. Here I stand. I can do no other." and vote against the Nationalists ....
 

Saoirse

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You do seem to have some serious misconceptions about nationalism

Its most certainly not a one size fits all as you like to paint it or are you saying someone like Tommy Robinson and BNP is the same as John Hume Nobel Prize winner and his party SDLP often referred to in Belfast and London as Labours sister party in Ireland

I fear your lack of knowledge of politics outside of England has you put everything into only the narrow boxes you find familiar and your experience of English Nationalism-NF BNP UKIP etc entirely colors your judgement

Nationalism must be open clear and above all inclusive. It must be welcoming to all within that country and making the country accessible to all

Basically the total opposite of what the English Nationalist Parties I mentioned stand for- hence be it in Ireland or indeed Scotland such parties are the enemy of decent nationalist politics
 
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Camden

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You so seem to have some serious misconceptions about nationalism

Its .most certainly not a one size fits all as you like to paint it or are you saying someone like Tommy Robinson and BNP is the same as John Hume Nobel Prize winner and his party SDLP often referred to in Belfast and London as Labours sister party in Ireland

I fear your lack of knowledge of politics outside of England has you put everything into only the narrow boxes you find familiar and your experience of English Nationalism-NF BNP IUKIP etc entirely colors your judgement

Nationalism must be open clear and above all inclusive. It must be welcoming to all within that country and making the country accessible to all

Basically the total opposite of what the English Natinalist Parties I mentioned stand for- hence be it in Ireland or indeed Scotland such parties are the enemy of decent nationalist politics

I thought you claimed to be the only one who understood Irish Politics "having to live it, to know it " now you seem to be spreading your wings to exert you are also the only one who understands Scottish Politics and Scottish Nationalism ....all the way in Turkey and your Ivory tower....

We will never agree as there is no Common ground between Socialism and Nationalism. Nationalism which survives by the need for enemy with one nation and working class against the other, in a race to the bottom . There is no Future in breaking the bonds that tie the working class together.
 
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Saoirse

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And so British Labour counts John Humes SDLP as its sister party in Belfast because.....???

Ps I dont think you're meant to take old George Galloway too seriously

He stood about 10 feet from me in a Belfast bar telling us of his support, why he felt it was part of his duty as a socialist to help right the wrongs inflicted on us by Unionists and that he found supporting the Tory party paramount to criminal

Now hes decided he IS a unionist AND is asking people to support Tories in Scotland!!!!!

Time for another saucer of milk for George- here pussy!

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Camden

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And so British Labour counts John Humes SDLP as its sister party in Belfast because.....???

Ps I dont think you're meant to take old George Galloway too seriously

He stood about 10 feet from me in a Belfast bar telling us of his support, why he felt it was part of his duty as a socialist to help right the wrongs inflicted on us by Unionists and that he found supporting the Tory party paramount to criminal

Now hes decided he IS a unionist AND is asking people to support Tories in Scotland!!!!!

Time for another saucer of milk for George- here pussy!


Luckily quoting someone who may align with a Socialist view in challenging Nationalists , doesn't mean you have to blindly follow them, we don't have the same Nationalist rhetorical straight jacket as you possibly do, in having to do so ...

But you do show yourself to be a good example of Nationalism and its need of an enemy, in your maligning of GG, someone who has done more good and worked for the working class than you will ever do in life .

I Suggest you watch the video of GG taking on what at the time was an unpopular cause whilst he was a Labour politician, his eloquent probing US Senate Testimony takedown .. before you label him some pussy ...

Luckily Socialists don't need like Nationalist to stick to ideological rhetoric .... but are free follow the principles of their ideology ...

Nationalism needs challenging as GG did with the US senate... if not it only festers in sowing division within the working class of nations.... in dividing them ...

So get your emotional crutch of the last word post ... and then jog on .. as we will never agree...LOL
 
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Saoirse

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Luckily quoting someone who may align with a Socialist view in challenging Nationalists , doesn't mean you have to blindly follow them, we don't have the same Nationalist rhetorical straight jacket as you possibly do, in having to do so ...

But you do show yourself to be a good example of Nationalism and its need of an enemy, in your maligning of GG, someone who has done more good and worked for the working class than you will ever do in life .

I Suggest you watch the video of GG taking on what at the time was an unpopular cause whilst he was a Labour politician, his eloquent probing US Senate Testimony takedown .. before you label him some pussy ...

Luckily Socialists don't need like Nationalist to stick to ideological rhetoric .... but are free follow the principles of their ideology ...

Nationalism needs challenging as GG did with the US senate... if not it only festers in sowing division within the working class of nations.... in dividing them ...

So get your emotional crutch of the last word post ... and then jog on .. as we will never agree...LOL
So was he lying when he came over for years to support us?

Do you agree with him that Scots should vote Tory?

And Labours sister party in Belfast being an Irish Nationalist one explain that lol

You have a very immature view of what is nationalism- John Hume wasn't Tommy Robinson!!!!!

You've an awful lot of political homework to do

Use this to get you started!!!!! George singing SFs praises!!!!

 
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Mushroom

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I would be gutted if we aren't going to be waving goodbye to the Jocks, the gangs of Northern Ireland and of course the Welsh.
 

Saoirse

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Lol

Understand entirely why you want rid of Belfast

Sort of get the old English Scot thing too

But why are you picking on the harmless Welsh
 

Mushroom

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Lol

Understand entirely why you want rid of Belfast

Sort of get the old English Scot thing too

But why are you picking on the harmless Welsh
They have nothing to offer apart from every sign costing twice as much to produce due to one half being in English and the other half in gobbledegook.
 

Saoirse

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Any I have ever met have been sound

Enjoy a drink and a laugh too

Cant say a bad thing about them
 

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