Re: BREXIT - What now ?
Not all teachers get bursaries. They are for shortage subjects and usually for the post graduate (PGCE) which is usually just for one year. The three year degree in your specialism would have to be paid via student loan. I don't want to get into a pissing contest of who's the most hard done by. They are different jobs and different stresses. Both professions have retention problems as neither are a walk in the park and deserve better. I ask again. why didn't you compare the situation to one of your wife's directors? Does their salary hold up to the same scrutiny?
 

esb1841

Member
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
Former Labour MP Laura Smith tweeted:

Pay decent wages and stop relying on cheap Labour. Those backing exploitation of workers to keep their shelves full are missing the point. This is why it should always have been about what a Labour government could do outside of the EU rather than keep the status quo.

PAY DECENT WAGES AND STOP RELYING ON CHEAP LABOUR. THOSE BACKING EXPLOITATION OF WORKERS TO KEEP THEIR SHELVES FULL ARE MISSING THE POINT. THIS IS WHY IT SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE BEEN ABOUT WHAT A LABOUR GOVERNMENT COULD DO OUTSIDE OF THE EU RATHER THAN KEEP THE STATUS QUO. SIGH
— Laura Smith (@LauraSmithCrewe) September 24, 2021
 

mollag

Kipper restorer
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
Former Labour MP Laura Smith tweeted:

Pay decent wages and stop relying on cheap Labour. Those backing exploitation of workers to keep their shelves full are missing the point. This is why it should always have been about what a Labour government could do outside of the EU rather than keep the status quo.


Sadly esb, the Gov still exploit cheap labour, our Health Service Nurses and staff, regardless of origin or nationality--they are worth way more (y)(y)
 

Mushroom

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Re: BREXIT - What now ?
Not all teachers get bursaries. They are for shortage subjects and usually for the post graduate (PGCE) which is usually just for one year. The three year degree in your specialism would have to be paid via student loan. I don't want to get into a pissing contest of who's the most hard done by. They are different jobs and different stresses. Both professions have retention problems as neither are a walk in the park and deserve better. I ask again. why didn't you compare the situation to one of your wife's directors? Does their salary hold up to the same scrutiny?
Directors really only exist in a limited company. They use the title in the NHS as an alternative to 'head of' because it puffs up their egos. I have an aquaintence who used to proudly boast that he was an MD. He made his title up as a one man band selling cars but he could because his was a limited company.
I'm sorry but I don't recall you asking previously to compare anything with a 'Directors salary'? If you are asking again, could you point me to where you asked it before please?
 

Camden

Member
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
What the former Labour MP Laura Smith said is true, but it should have been done over the years and incremental, commensurate with either education, skill or training not throwing wage scale rates all askew with a large artificial rise ...

At a time of crisis due to Brexit policy, this artificial rise happening.... is were all other workers lose out, due to this sudden large salary increase in just one sector ...... It is then reflected in the rise in food prices .. which is already on track for an increase due to Brexit Haulage bureaucracy and Driver costs.

Then the Domino effect starts, with food price rises adding to inflation, with calls for interest rates to go up, which then hurts these other workers even ones with the increase devaluing it , in seeing higher mortgages to add to the further Tory misery of cut to UC and energy price increases, rises in council tax , NI and food prices .
 
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SLEEPY

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Re: BREXIT - What now ?
"A diversionary foreign policy, or a diversionary war, is an international relations term that identifies a war instigated by a country's leader in order to distract its population from their own domestic strife."
 
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
What the former Labour MP Laura Smith said is true, but it should have been done over the years and incremental, commensurate with either education, skill or training not throwing wage scale rates all askew with a large artificial rise ...

At a time of crisis due to Brexit policy, this artificial rise happening.... is were all other workers lose out, due to this sudden large salary increase in just one sector ...... It is then reflected in the rise in food prices .. which is already on track for an increase due to Brexit Haulage bureaucracy and Driver costs.

Then the Domino effect starts, with food price rises adding to inflation, with calls for interest rates to go up, which then hurts these other workers even ones with the increase devaluing it , in seeing higher mortgages to add to the further Tory misery of cut to UC and energy price increases, rises in council tax , NI and food prices .
As regards nursing shortages, this has been going on for years . From 2003 - 2007 I was in the care home business and we were dependent on foreign nurses via agencies. At that time, under a Labour govt, many trained UK nurses chose to take up much better paid jobs abroad. And it was often the case that the training standards of the replacement foreign agency staff were considerably inferior.
 

Camden

Member
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
As regards nursing shortages, this has been going on for years . From 2003 - 2007 I was in the care home business and we were dependent on foreign nurses via agencies. At that time, under a Labour govt, many trained UK nurses chose to take up much better paid jobs abroad. And it was often the case that the training standards of the replacement foreign agency staff were considerably inferior.

I don't think I mentioned anything about the nurse shortage ?

What did say the the NHS has been failed in Tory hands in fact the NHS has got remarkably worse under the Tories and this is before the Pandemic can be used as an excuse...

Of course there is many ways we could compare NHS performance.... but we only have to look at eg. waiting times across the NHS from under Tory rule pre Pandemic A&E, to cancer care and including routine care.... Look to the NHS performance and waiting times link below..... in 2010, 2.5 million people were waiting for elective treatment and nine years during past Tory rule the figure nearly doubled in 2019, 4.5 million people were waiting for the same procedures.

This wasn't helped by the Tories cutting more than 17,000 hospital beds in the past 10 years. (link below)


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mollag

Kipper restorer
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
I don't think I mentioned anything about the nurse shortage ?

What did say the the NHS has been failed in Tory hands in fact the NHS has got remarkably worse under the Tories and this is before the Pandemic can be used as an excuse...

Of course there is many ways we could compare NHS performance.... but we only have to look at eg. waiting times across the NHS from under Tory rule pre Pandemic A&E, to cancer care and including routine care.... Look to the NHS performance and waiting times link below..... in 2010, 2.5 million people were waiting for elective treatment and nine years during past Tory rule the figure nearly doubled in 2019, 4.5 million people were waiting for the same procedures.

This wasn't helped by the Tories cutting more than 17,000 hospital beds in the past 10 years. (link below)


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Is that what we call defunding?, not the Governments responsibility of course :unsure:
 

Camden

Member
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The boss of Intel says the US chipmaker is no longer considering building a factory in the UK because of Brexit.

Pat Gelsinger told the BBC that before the UK left the EU, the country "would have been a site that we would have considered".
But he added: "Post-Brexit... we're looking at EU countries and getting support from the EU".

Intel wants to boost its output amid a global chip shortage that has hit the supply of cars and other goods.
The firm - which is one of the world's largest makers of semiconductors - says the crisis has shown that the US and Europe are too reliant on Asia for its chip-making needs.

Intel is investing up to $95bn (£70bn) on opening and upgrading semiconductor plants in Europe over the next 10 years, as well as boosting its US output.

But while Mr Gelsinger said the firm "absolutely would have been seeking sites for consideration" in the UK, he said Brexit had changed this.

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mollag

Kipper restorer
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
Another Brexit transition, a U turn transition, back to pre brexit, Still, it may stop Boris's bacon sandwich rubbish.-----

The government has stepped in to counter a spiralling crisis on pig farms [ caused by brexit] by allowing butchers to enter the UK on temporary visas, in the latest reversal of post-Brexit immigration policy.

Butchers in abattoirs and meat processing plants dealing with pigs will be allowed to come to work in Britain for six months, the environment secretary, George Eustice, announced on Thursday evening. He said 800 butchers were needed to meet staffing shortages and get the situation under control.
 

Tenpin

The Yorkshireman
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
Another Brexit transition, a U turn transition, back to pre brexit, Still, it may stop Boris's bacon sandwich rubbish.-----

The government has stepped in to counter a spiralling crisis on pig farms [ caused by brexit] by allowing butchers to enter the UK on temporary visas, in the latest reversal of post-Brexit immigration policy.

Butchers in abattoirs and meat processing plants dealing with pigs will be allowed to come to work in Britain for six months, the environment secretary, George Eustice, announced on Thursday evening. He said 800 butchers were needed to meet staffing shortages and get the situation under control.

Just another case of too much reliance on foreign workers.
 

mollag

Kipper restorer
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
Where we would have partners, not competitors, and no problems with the Good Friday agreement, what a brilliant idea [Boris--agreement, dont hold your breath :rolleyes: ]
 

Bramidan

Member
Re: BREXIT - What now ?
It could also allow freedom of movement so people could work where they wanted and where they were required.
Just would need decent minimum wages for the host nation to properly administer to stop greedy business owners trying to drive down labour costs.
In that respect it could almost be like a large country eg USA where you can go where you want from state to state.
Fruit that you couldn't grow in your area would be grown in those areas with a more suitable climate, think Florida as opposed to New England.
What a vision.
 

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