jimskem

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Nick Griffin, Leader of the B.N.P. will appear on the B.B.C. programme Question
Time this Thursday.
Today, General Sir Richard Dannat was one of two Generals to condemn Griffin,
accusing him of using images of the Armed Forces when appearing at meetings.
Sir Richard has recently agreed to advise the Conservative Party on defence matters.
Last Sunday, Adam Boulton, Sky Journalist, when asking Nick Griffin a series of
questions, interupted Griffin continuously when he was replying to the questions.
Just what are these people afraid of. ?
 

Yalides

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Unfortunately the Labour party have made the likes of the BNP very attractive.
 

EVELYNNE

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these are some of the news items that makes the BNP attractive to hard working British people

" Asylum seekers art the dover detention centre who get all their food and board and clothes paid for get £25.00 a week each to get them used to using our money! even though they have not been given leave to stay "

" Couple given leave to stay because they own a cat so therefore they must be good citizens".

I have often said that when i retire i will move abroad. Someone asked me how i would get on with everyone else talking in a different language, I said just the same as going down the high street on a Saturday afternoon, i'd be hard pushed to pass someone who speaks English there !!!
 

Martyn

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Someone asked me how i would get on with everyone else talking in a different language, I said just the same as going down the high street on a Saturday afternoon, i'd be hard pushed to pass someone who speaks English there !!!

I'm sure the Turks say that about people speaking Turkish in Altinkum. :D
 

EVELYNNE

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martyn, in the height of summer you could be right - the only difference is that the majority will go home, that is not the case in the UK !!

A lot of the immigrants coming to the uk are coming to collect benifits housing and all the other goodies , not to become British !
 

Akasya

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There are many vile parties in the UK, they wax and wane. Fortunately they never attract quality leadership. All look very different at the General Election.

Steve.
 

red

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these are some of the news items that makes the BNP attractive to hard working British people

" Asylum seekers art the dover detention centre who get all their food and board and clothes paid for get £25.00 a week each to get them used to using our money! even though they have not been given leave to stay "

" Couple given leave to stay because they own a cat so therefore they must be good citizens".

I have often said that when i retire i will move abroad. Someone asked me how i would get on with everyone else talking in a different language, I said just the same as going down the high street on a Saturday afternoon, i'd be hard pushed to pass someone who speaks English there !!!


In my experience it isn't hard working people who resent immigrants the most -it's those who aren't working who do. As for benefits - £25 I can't get upset about that, many of the bankers raping our country of billions don't live in the U.K. whether or not they were born here!!!

We are living in a bankrupt state yet the super rich are still managing to reap the rewards, including those who own the press. They keep the masses worked up about other matters to deflect attention, and they are succeding it seems. The cat issue - I read it as a joke - I can't imagine a judge would be so stupid????? Immigrants haven't caused our current economic problem - greed has, and many of those looking for a better life bought into the dream the b/wankers sold the last few years.

I, like you, would love to move to Turkey, I just hope people would welcome me, and not assume whatever I was there for would have a negative affect on them.

I'm proud our country treats those seeking help with humanity - what else could we do - beat them put them in jail then fly them back to a potential death or worse - torture etc. Perhaps some are free loaders but it takes a huge effort to leave everything you know and perhaps everyone you love to venture to a new home. What happened to compassion?

The BNP are nazis in disguise - so at least 2 of my 5 children would be OK in their dream state!!!! They would pick and chose who 'deserved' a place here just hope you 'fit' if you decide to support.
 
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Nick Griffin, Leader of the B.N.P. will appear on the B.B.C. programme Question
Time this Thursday.
Today, General Sir Richard Dannat was one of two Generals to condemn Griffin,
accusing him of using images of the Armed Forces when appearing at meetings.
Sir Richard has recently agreed to advise the Conservative Party on defence matters.
Last Sunday, Adam Boulton, Sky Journalist, when asking Nick Griffin a series of
questions, interupted Griffin continuously when he was replying to the questions.
Just what are these people afraid of. ?

Nick Griffen being interupted by an interviewer... Have you ever watched Paxman or Marr interviewing proper politicians? They are constantly interrupting and challenging them.

And Generals complaining of unscrupleous politicians using the Armed Forces for political means - thats an accusation that has been levelled at Tories and Labour too.

So what I get from this is that the BNP clamour to be treated like any other party and then cry about it when they are.

And by the way you didn't mention that the BNP were given an interview on Radio 1's Newsbeat, a program with very high listner figures. The interview introduced the men being interviewed as "two young guys who are members of the BNP" but failed to tell listeners that they were prominent party members and one was, in fact, the BNP's publicity director. Now any other party would have had to mention their position in the party, not to pretend to be just ordinary members.

So as far as I am concerned they are still getting an easy ride.
 

EVELYNNE

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Red,

I agree with you that this country is full of greed from the top to the very bottom, it is a society of cheats. Im just glad I can hold my hand up and say im not one of them. Ive worked hard all my life the only time i have claimed benefit was my maternity allowance.

I do resent the ones that come to this country claiming assylum under false pretences and get all that they want from the government, when my own children struggle to make ends meet.

Im not against immigration , there are plenty of immigrants doing their bit for society.

But in general there are plenty of good honest people who have had enough and they will turn to the BNP in protest if the main parties don;t stand up and be counted
 

jimskem

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Joe, Yes, I have watched Paxman & Marr, and my comments apply to them as well.
As i looked at the recorded interview on Sky online with Adam Boulton, that's why
i named him.
I would prefer any of the above named to let the person who is being interviewed reply to the question asked of them.
I did not mention the Radio 1 programme Newsbeat, because i did not hear it.Are you infering my starting this thread was knowingly selective.?
As for the two young guy's you refer to, shame on the B.B.C. researches for not doing their homework.
Then Again, could it be what is refered to as a honey trap.
What many people in the U.K. are unhappy about is Racial Equality.
Take the case of P.C. Steve Bettley, from Merseyside Police.
His name appeared on the leaked list of B.N.P. supporters earlier this year, claiming
he was a member.
Merseyside Police first suspended him, then sacked him. The Force he belonged to
consulted the Black Police Officers Association during their enquiries.
No mention they contacted the White Police Officers Association.
Hence my remark about Racial Equality.
The police officer mentioned has appealed against his dismissal, and is on record
with his opinions of the B.N.P. Party.
 
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Joe, Yes, I have watched Paxman & Marr, and my comments apply to them as well.
As i looked at the recorded interview on Sky online with Adam Boulton, that's why
i named him.
I would prefer any of the above named to let the person who is being interviewed reply to the question asked of them.
I did not mention the Radio 1 programme Newsbeat, because i did not hear it.Are you infering my starting this thread was knowingly selective.?
As for the two young guy's you refer to, shame on the B.B.C. researches for not doing their homework.
Then Again, could it be what is refered to as a honey trap.
What many people in the U.K. are unhappy about is Racial Equality.
Take the case of P.C. Steve Bettley, from Merseyside Police.
His name appeared on the leaked list of B.N.P. supporters earlier this year, claiming
he was a member.
Merseyside Police first suspended him, then sacked him. The Force he belonged to
consulted the Black Police Officers Association during their enquiries.
No mention they contacted the White Police Officers Association.
Hence my remark about Racial Equality.
The police officer mentioned has appealed against his dismissal, and is on record
with his opinions of the B.N.P. Party.

In your original post you asked "What are these people afraid of?" which made me believe you thought the BNP were getting a rough ride. I wanted to point out that in the instances you mentioned - tough interviews and Army personel complaining about parties using military images for political purposes - this happens to all parties and I don't think makes a case for the BNP being treated harshly.

I didn't mean to imply you were knowingly selective in your choice of examples but wanted to show there was another view, that the BNP were getting too easy a ride from the press, and give a case in point.

And I find it interesting that you think its a honey trap to allow senior members of the BNP to freely express their views. Why would it be a trap?

As for the police officer being sacked for membership of the BNP: The Association of Chief Police Officers introduced the ban in 2004. The BNP stated it was illeagal and vowed to appeal against it, but I can find no evidence that they have. Now you may think the ban is wrong but the point is the officer broke well known police rules and suffered the penalty laid down. Also he is appealing on the grounds he is not a BNP member, not that the ban is wrong.

I find the BNP odious for many reasons but the main one is because they are racist. They judge people purely by the colour of their skin. I don't find this un-PC, I find it disgusting. They are at present being forced to change their own membership rules which has a whites only clause. Note - not British only, whites only.
 
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Let's face it. If you are not Turkish and live in Turkey you are an immigrant.

Turkey makes it a lot easier for me to be a resident immigrant in Turkey than the UK makes it for any Turkish people who want to visit or stay in the UK.
 

Akasya

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Yeah Kirpi, just look at the 10' of thousands of Turks living and WORKING in North London., why some , they even find the time to run prostitution, drugs and illegal immigration trafficking. Then they find the time to shoot each other. Cannot believe your post.

Speechless Steve.
 
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jimskem

Member
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When i asked in my original post what are these people afraid of, i was infering A.Boulton, during his constant interuptions, was possibly preventing Griffin from saying something which may appeal to the viewers. This was the opinion i formed, mainly because of the forthcoming General Election.
As for the B.N.P. receving a rough ride, i really could not care less about them.
I do believe in freedom of speech though.
Regarding the honey trap comment, i understand many of the researches at the Beeb are Uni. educated, and i assumed they would not be to hard pressed to know the names of prominent members of the B.N.P.
So interview them first, then pretend the B.B.C. did not know their identity, then
pour scorn on the B.N.P. for misrepresentation.
As for the police officer mentioned, if he is eventually proved to be a member of the B.N.P. then he will have deserved what has happened to him.
The officer claims no knowledge regarding how his name was on their list, so again
i can only think that maybe someone with a grudge against him forwarded his
name to the B.N.P.
As i understand it,he was fired because his name was listed, not because he was an
active member. For the first time, within the last half hour, i visited the web-site of the B.N.P.
No mention of the Newsbeat programme.
No wonder, i looked at the B.B.C. Web-site, and there was an edited version of Newsbeat. Talk about shoot yourself in the foot does not even begin to describe
the way the two [prominent members] came across.
They were saying things such as Ashley Cole, as we know he plays for Chelsea
and England, although he was born in Britain, was not really British.
At this point, i made my excuses and left.
 

Mushroom

Member
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By the way Jim, there isn't a white police association, it would be considered racist. So you can have a black police association, a gay police association and then we wonder why the BNP is gaining support?
To answer your original question, the people who interview the odious Nick Griffin are between a rock and a hard place.
If on the one hand they give him too hard a grilling, he can cry foul and say that no other 'party' leader would be treated like that and make the inference that the interviewer is a blatent hard leftie, but god forbid they gave him a relatively easy ride. Then they would be denounced as having a sympathetic tone to him and be accused of being right wing.
If they remained middle of the road and neutral it would make a crap interview and again everyone would accuse them of being soft.
 

giglets

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I am no supporter of the BNP, but I cannot believe the concerted teeth-gnashing regarding their forthcomong TV appearance, this week.
I cannot turn on a current affairs programme on either TV or Radio, without someone bleating about this subject!
Why?????
The only reason I can think of, bearing in mind some of the extremists from numerous parties/pressure groups/beliefs who have already been granted airtime, is that they (BNP) may say something that resonates with a reasonably sizeable percentage of the general public. Either that, or the fact that they are an extreme rightwing, as opposed to extreme leftwing, entity (the latter being routinely allowed media access), plays against them.
Either way, they must be heard and their viewpoint must be vigorously debated. If their policies/ideas are as stupid as we are led to believe, then they will be open to ridicule and derision and will soon be kicked into the long grass; if not, then they should be subject to full and frank discussion.
Like it or lump it, they have managed to elicit the support of more than one million voters and are a legitimate political party, unless the Courts decree otherwise, so they are enitled to be allowed the same coverage as other minority parties, such as The Greens, Socialist Workers Party, Respect etc....
I am left with the distinct impression that we (the general public) are, once again, being dictated to as to what and who we should be allowed to see/hear, by our "betters", because we are thought to be too gullible to be able to decide for ourselves the rights and wrongs of the argument.
I, for one, demand the right to make that judgement, without any interference or hindrance from any of the politically correct "power groups", of whichever persuasion, who purport to run this country!
Stop all the incessant whingeing and let the programme take place and the Great British Public come to their own conclusions afterwards!!!


Dave
 

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