Brightonmumma

New Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
Hello,

I was wondering if anyone can help us, the consulate in London have not been overly helpful and we don't speak Turkish so we are finding it very difficult to find the information we need.

Here is the situation (I'll try to keep it brief):

My husband was born in England, he has lived here all his life and does not speak any Turkish. He is 30, his mother was English and his father is Turkish. His parents split when he was 2.

4 years ago my husband deferred his national service for 1 year. We did not realise he could do it until he was 38, we were under the impression he had to this every year. In order to defer he had to get an ID card and a Turkish passport, which he did successfully.

We have just had a baby and wish to introduce our son to his Turkish family. We went to the consulate to defer his service again, this tme til he's 38.They have said that my husband should never have been given the ID card or the Turkish passport as his name is registered differently in Turkey. When he was very young his mother changed his name slightly e.g. his name was John Smith and it was changed to John Smith Jones. His English passport is in this name and he presented his change of name deed when he applied for the Turkish passport and ID card.

They said a lot of things at the consulate and didn't really answer our questions. It seemed they didn't have the answers or something was lost in translation. Whilst their English is good, it's hard to convey legal matters in another language.

They have said he can't defer until he has changed his name in Turkey too. They have told us that this could take several months. We are due to fly on Friday and have provided us with a letter to present if we get into any trouble when leaving the country. The consulate also said that in Turkey he is not registered as a dual citizen, they could not alaborate further. I presume they meant under his new name he's not a Turkish citizen.

My husband is currently working and studying at university. He is willing to do his service, but now is a bad time.

Does anyone know where we stand? Is it true that if he's required to do his national service he's allowed to come home for 2 months to 'sort out his affairs'. Is it really possible that he could be arrested, even if we can demonstrate that he's studying and has attempted to defer?

Thank you in advance! Sorry for such a long post!
 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
Has he got a UK passport, if so just travel on that

Martin
 
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beyazbayan

Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
He must be travelling on a UK passport otherwise he cannot get back into UK without a visa. Travel on his UK passport and buy an e visa do not use or bring his Turkish passport or İD with you leave them at home. Do not discuss this matter with his family Turks are gossips and half the village will know by tea time including any relatives of the local authorities.
 

kemerkid

Bystander
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
I would say "Slightly complicated situation" is an understatement. Tell us more.
 

oldfogy

Just passing through
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
If he was born in England then surely he is English, it's not as if he was born in transit.

So as said previously just travel on his UK passport.

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I must admit I do find it strange when people born in one country call themselves by another nationality, or is it more a case of 'wannabe' classed as something else.
 

tosmur

Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
As mentioned just travel with British passport, I doubt anyone will ask any questions. If your husband wants to defer until he is 38 then why not sort wait until that time then dual nationality, if he is living in the UK and don't need Turkish nationality at this point in time. Good Luck
 

Brightonmumma

New Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
Thank you all for your replies!! I feel more confident about going now. My husband doesn't consider himself Turkish, only English and always uses his British passport and gets a visa. Previously we have been to Turkey without deferring and he was taken away to a room at the airport. He was there for about 30 minutes. He didn't understand what they said to him, but they looked at his passport and sent him on his way, so we just don't know where we stand! The consulate told us he can't renounce without changing his name in Turkey, so we're in limbo. I just don't want him to be arrested! I have a feeling the only reason he's questioned at the airport is because his name is so obviously Turkish.
 

Brightonmumma

New Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
Also I should add that the army office often send letters to his father in Istanbul asking for my husband's whereabouts so he's defiantly registered for military service.
 

juco

Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
I cant get my head around this, he is British with a British passport, that should be the end of it. But has his dad done something along the way in Turkey, like re-registered the birth or something.
I cant understand why his dad receives letters unless it has to do with deferring military recruitment which as a UK citizen he didnt have to do anyway.

Confused.
 

kemerkid

Bystander
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
It’s all very intriguing, let us know how you got on when you get back home.

How much does it cost to buy your way out of military service in Turkey now?, I know new figures have been introduced recently. Perhaps you should get a mortgage or loan in the UK and send the money to his father to buy his way out of this bogus situation.
 
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oldfogy

Just passing through
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
Strange,

It seems as if his parents at some stage registered him in Turkey and he was unaware of it.

But he is English/British with a british passport so unless he actually wants to do the army service then I can't see how they can make him do it.

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Edit:
4 years ago my husband deferred his national service for 1 year.

It looks like his original deferral notice is the culprit that is now causing the paper problem

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juco

Member
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It should just be a paper problem, can you imagine the headline if Turkey forces a UK citizen to join the Turkish army, or arrests a UK citizen for not joining........Something not right in all of this.
 

immac

Senior Member Has-Been
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
It used to be that anyone with dual citizenship was exempt as Turkish military will not take foreigners - they are classed as such. Has that changed?

Ian
 

oldfogy

Just passing through
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
It’s all very intriguing, let us know how you got on when you get back home.

How much does it cost to buy your way out of military service in Turkey now?, I know new figures have been introduced recently. Perhaps you should get a mortgage or loan in the UK and send the money to his father to buy his way out of this bogus situation.
I believe they still have to complete a minimum of 6 months before being able to take the buy-option, at least that's what a turkish hotel owner once told me, although I believe he also has a German passport and said he would be doing his service maybe next year.
 

oldfogy

Just passing through
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
It’s all very intriguing, let us know how you got on when you get back home.

How much does it cost to buy your way out of military service in Turkey now?, I know new figures have been introduced recently. Perhaps you should get a mortgage or loan in the UK and send the money to his father to buy his way out of this bogus situation.
I believe they still have to complete a minimum of 6 months before being able to take the buy-out option, at least that's what a turkish hotel owner once told me, although I believe he also has a German passport and said he would be doing his service maybe next year.
 

kemerkid

Bystander
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
New legislation has just been introduced in an attempt to fill the coffers here as the country is slowly going skint and that’s not from a Turkish hotel owner! The bounty is a very substantial amount and will not be payable by many
Either our new member is attempting to pull our legs with this fantasy or she is the one having her leg pulled, either way it’s a rues. This guys birth would have been registered in the UK or Turkey, does the OP know enough about this man I wonder?
 

tosmur

Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
if you deferred in the past I guess he is registered for national service, but the consulate are stating he is not registered - something weird about this - it doesn't seem to add up.

I guess he is registered and has dual nationality but the new name has put a spanner in the works
 

Guz1

Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
I believe they still have to complete a minimum of 6 months before being able to take the buy-out option, at least that's what a turkish hotel owner once told me, although I believe he also has a German passport and said he would be doing his service maybe next year.

Germany only voted last July to allow dual citizenship. Germany moves to allow dual citizenship | EurActiv

This from Zaman in 2010 gives some info about dual nationality and military service, although it could be out of date by now http://www.todayszaman.com/columnis...p-and-compulsory-military-service_223580.html.

Rather than taking advice from a forum on such an important issue, I think that the OP should ask the Consulate for further clarification. Perhaps if her husband were to phone the British Foreign Office or their Embassy in Turkey someone there might be able to assure him that travelling on his British passport is the solution.
 

oldfogy

Just passing through
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
Germany only voted last July to allow dual citizenship. Germany moves to allow dual citizenship | EurActiv

This from Zaman in 2010 gives some info about dual nationality and military service, although it could be out of date by now BERK ÇEKT?R - Dual Citizenship and Compulsory Military Service.

Rather than taking advice from a forum on such an important issue, I think that the OP should ask the Consulate for further clarification. Perhaps if her husband were to phone the British Foreign Office or their Embassy in Turkey someone there might be able to assure him that travelling on his British passport is the solution.
In which maybe he didn't have dual nationality even though he is also married to a German.

The main problem seems to be the lack of understanding turkish, so they need to get a interpretor to take with them.
 
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Hilsjw

Member
National Service help! Slightly complicated situation.
I would go to a British Lawyer who deals with overseas foreign affairs (your CAB office, or Google could direct you to one) then you might find out just what rights your husband has and where he stands should the Turkish authorities cut up rough. Good luck and let us know the outcome. Thanks.
 

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