TCJ

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M25 collapsed in the rain
Poor old M25. Always getting criticized, hated, reviled - even from before it was opened. I'm glad I don't have to use it. But one person thought it was wonderful and loved it. Can you guess who?

Now some people are saying that the road is too small, even that it's a disaster. I must say I can't stand those who carp and criticise when they ought to be congratulating Britain on a magnificent achievement and beating the drum for Britain all over the world.
 
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tosmur

Member
M25 collapsed in the rain
I used the M25 frequently at one time (not so much now), it does the job but when things go wrong like parts of it collapsing I worry about people on the roads generally. People never know what is ahead of them. Things like this cause accidents and can lead to deaths, always best to remind people that there are hazards. But imho the UK do need to try and ensure things are fit for purpose especially when people are at risk.

Sinkholes seem to be more common as well as defects in roads and these things are a hazard. I ask people to take care on the roads for their own safety.
 

Firefox

Jesus Loves You
M25 collapsed in the rain
being using it 3 times in the last 3 weeks,

Always a nightmare Britons biggest Car-park.

The old bill do nowt to get it moving.
 

Akasya

Postless Pointer
M25 collapsed in the rain
This road has taken a huge beating , a load that it was never designed for. An enormous service has just been constructed , heavy machinery and logistic support vehicles have been hammering it 24/7.

All 8 lanes have been drilled for lane closure posts , then heavy concrete shoulder barriers have been used to protect workers in all lanes.

The roads ministry should have radar searched the surface, It is only the top six inches that have crumbled , not the understructure.

I love the M25 , anyone who remembers the north orbital and queuing for hours to hit the one at Denham will adore it as well.

As soon as i see the 25 , from whichever direction , i know i am home.

Great road , fabulous servant to the south east and London.

No other road takes such a pounding.

La peripherique anyone ?

Steve.
 

kemerkid

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M25 collapsed in the rain
The M25 was a substitute for tbe North and South circular roads and Maggies baby. The concept was great but what we ended up with was a great disappointment. I have spent many hours parked out there between junctions. It was always the same streaches that I couldn't avoid. I had my ideas of how it could have been improved but of course no one was listening to me.

Having said that it was realy only at rush hours that it was a problem, other times it was supurb. The biggest problem apart from needing mote lanes was the fact that there were too many junction too close together. Anotber major problem was tbe tolls at the Dartford crossing which should have been scrapped many years ago. Those tunnels and the bridge have been paid for many times over and all the moey has gone to the Kent county council.
 

Billy Joe

Member
M25 collapsed in the rain
Too many foreigners using it as their preferred route to the easy life in good old Blighty.
 

Carolyn

Member
M25 collapsed in the rain
Oh no, not the Peripherique! The M25 used to drive me to distraction, the Peripherique terrified me half to death.
 

Hilsjw

Member
M25 collapsed in the rain
Poor old M25. Always getting criticized, hated, reviled - even from before it was opened. I'm glad I don't have to use it. But one person thought it was wonderful and loved it. Can you guess who?

Now some people are saying that the road is too small, even that it's a disaster. I must say I can't stand those who carp and criticise when they ought to be congratulating Britain on a magnificent achievement and beating the drum for Britain all over the world.

Was it Ernest Marples ? He was a director of a tarmac company and could see the advantages of closing so many railway stations (Mr. Beeching) so that he could tarmac all the motorways ?
 
M25 collapsed in the rain
The M25 was a substitute for tbe North and South circular roads and Maggies baby. The concept was great but what we ended up with was a great disappointment. I have spent many hours parked out there between junctions. It was always the same streaches that I couldn't avoid. I had my ideas of how it could have been improved but of course no one was listening to me.

Having said that it was realy only at rush hours that it was a problem, other times it was supurb. The biggest problem apart from needing mote lanes was the fact that there were too many junction too close together. Anotber major problem was tbe tolls at the Dartford crossing which should have been scrapped many years ago. Those tunnels and the bridge have been paid for many times over and all the moey has gone to the Kent county council.
AA comment
The M25 at Dartford is a strategic national road serving all parts of the UK and is also part of the trans-European road network – as such it has to be expected that many drivers will be unaware of the arrangements, penalties for non-payment, operational hours or have the luxury of timing their journeys to coincide with the non-charging hours. The AA has expressed concerns about this to the Highways Agency.

There was a 33% hike in charges in 2012 and drivers will face a further 25% increase when free flow charging is introduced.

In October 2012, responding to the increase in charges, the AA said that long distance travellers from UK and Europe, freight, business and regional users have all been sold down the river through the unnecessary perpetuation of charges and a lack of investment in future capacity at Dartford.

By 2003, toll charges had effectively paid for the Dartford bridge and should have come to an end but a regime of road user charging to 'manage high demand' was introduced and has become a nice little earner, raising around £70m a year.

Elsewhere in Europe there is a facility at some 'free flow' toll plazas for foreign drivers to pay by credit card and this might have been very helpful at Dartford had there been the space and capacity.

It would also have been useful for Dartford’s charging system to be ‘interoperable’ so that EU drivers with an account would find it easier to pay.

Free-flow charging may eliminate toll-booth queues and reduce congestion in the short term but most users have no choice about the time and place they cross the Thames. This is one of the most important motorways in Europe and it needs more capacity, not easier ways to pay.
 

clark

Member
M25 collapsed in the rain
I think you have to be alert and watch out for hazards as best you can, where ever you are, but some things cannot be anticipated like the bridge that collapsed in Turkey earlier this year.

Istanbul pedestrian bridge collapses after being hit by fuel tanker | Daily Mail Online

I agree Firefox the M25 at certain times of the day is like a massive car park mainly due to the sheer volume of traffic.
No, it's due to the variable speed cameras that make it a car park.
 

Akasya

Postless Pointer
M25 collapsed in the rain
Oh no, not the Peripherique! The M25 used to drive me to distraction, the Peripherique terrified me half to death.

Try the peripherique at four in the morning , on a motorbike loaded up with enough holiday gear for two camping in the south of France.

The rainurage is really terrifying , if you can keep it up over 60mph , then it is much better.

Steve.
 

Yalides

Am I pretty ?
M25 collapsed in the rain
My mate Akasya bet me £200 that the M25 is only 118 miles long, boy is he looking stupid now!

I've been driving on it all day and still not reached the end.
 

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