Saoirse

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Labout basically now stand for nothing

No.longer willing to even stand alongside workers on a legal strike, a leader who's aligned with ERG on Brexit and has Uturned on both nationalistion and freedom.of movement

Stand by for his next U turn- he had agreed with abolishing HOL now apparently hes going back on that too

Man is simply an untrustworthy waster and his turned his back on his core support.

Whilst there are undoubtedly Socialist and well meaning members and Mps throughout the party it's nothing more than wishful thinking that under Starmer the parties direction is going to move away from the current line of apeing the Tories.

Voting for Labour with Starmer at the helm and ruthlessly determined to stamp out even the mildest socialism in order to out Tory the Tories-is like sacking Rolf Harris as a babysitter and hiring Jimmy Saville instead.
 
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IbrahimAbi

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Interesting article in the “I” yesterday suggesting that following a re selection battle Sam Tarry might just be happy to be seen as a martyr.
I forgot to read who wrote the article which may be significant

Also suggested Starmer might also be happy to be seen as not kow towing to the Unions, think they might have lost on that one
Yes, it seems to be a calculated move. I wonder if more will follow, and lead to mass 'resignations' a'la tories
 

Mushroom

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There is are those who make the news occasionally. Yes, they are all as bent, but this bloke seems to be gold medal standard.
Obviously, no further action.

David Lammy breached the MPs' code of conduct by inadvertently failing to register a total of 16 interests on time - including payments for Black History Month speaking engagements and tickets to boxing matches
 

Camden

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Football fans show support for more strikers than just their teams ones.


Seems the Celtic fans have more critical thinking than most in politics .... also in not liking Sturgeon and the SNP with a banner saying F*u*K the SNP .... Seems they are a good judge of the characters of both Parties.... the Tories and the SNP ... when it comes to protesting..

Protesting against SNP policy .. during Covid, a small army of Celtic supporters made the trip to Perth to watch from a hill outside the ground to watch Celtic beat St Johnstone the fans made their feelings pretty clear with a banner, reading: “F*** the SNP.” then again at another match



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As support for the Rail Unions... The SNP is following exactly the Tory Line of Rabb with the SNP Transport Minister Ms. Gilruth refusing to sit down or get involved in the talks with ScotRail and the Unions & Scotrail Strikers ...

This was the same SNP Transport Minister MS. Gilruth that said On nationalizing the Scottish Service. she would be accountable. Now she is abdicating that accountability. In NOT Talking to the Unions and Strikers ... Saying its Scotrail management job ...just the Same as Rabb down South ..
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No shame in this ......... Scottish Labour Leader support for RMT pickets.. We have also seen Nandy in England supporting picketers.... also Labour MPs in Wales ....
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Saoirse

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Well as regards the Celts fans they are generally very pro Indy ( and staunchly UI) so bang goes your theory there.

As regards Scotlands future whilst many would be pro Indy they are not necessarily pro SNP because as primarily football fans they have past issues with that party on their favorite sport

It's our opposite number who are the right wing BNP UKIP etc- all part of the unionist movement

Every game the same politically aware Bhoys grouping sport together the flags of Ireland and Palestine so again bang goes starmer there- if you want flags supporting criminal states you need to try Ibrox

And finally as regards solidarity with rail workers your party leader is nothing short of a total disgrace- not just witholding his support but punishing his own members who dare stand with them.

On that issue and in denying Scottish democracy he is four square standing as ever with the Tories.

Make your mind up time for labour are they standing with the strikers or not.

Labours shame isn't just that under starmer they are as Tory as the Tories it's also how they have lied u turned and fudged on so many issues on which they traditionally would have been supposed to stand by the ordinary man.

Its interesting this very week with UK facing into unimaginable crisis for millions facing untold debts and misery with £4000 energy bills etc that the leaders of BOTH Tory parties go AWOL

It would appear as well as apeing johnson in his political policies Judas Tory starmer has now decided to spend his holidays hiding alongside him!

Meanwhile whilst I don't expect you to know the political allegiances of ultras amongst Scottish football fans- trust me yet again you've put your saddle on the wrong horse!! Lol!!

Spot the difference!!!!!

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Camden

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I think we all know the Sectarian nature of Scottish football fans, as seen at Celtic matches they aren't predominately waving the saltire for Independence but the Irish tricolor and Rangers waving the red white, and blue ..

So let's not bring the sectarian Irish nature, to Scottish politics, and their people, as it's the last road most of us would want it to go ...

It was you that put up the Celtic and their damming protest quite rightly of the Tory policy, but as usual, you apply the Nationalist double standard not accepting the same fans also dam at times SNP Policy and Sturgeon ... with their protests.

Happy to down Labour for supposedly aping Tories ..when the Scottish Labour leader was actually giving his support both to the pickets and in joining them on the Demonstration in Edinburgh.

Whilst your Nationalist friends the SNP transport Minister ignores them ...

You as usual with that Nationalist Double Standard, totally ignore or criticize the Party that is actually aping Tory policy in Scotland on the Scotrail strike, refusing to meet the Unions and strikers... the SNP.

SNP Doing exactly what the Tory Rabb is doing .. with the SNP's Transport Minister doing as Rabb is doing down South refusing to meet Unions and strikers.
And again repeating the same as Rabb in saying the Unions must negotiate with the Management. with them the SNP not getting involved .
 

Saoirse

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The thread title is Labours Shame and very unfortunate but highly telling that you find Celtic fans standing in support of Palestine or Ireland as sectarian.

The reason you do so is your unionist position is itself highly sectarian and therefore you throw that charge at anyone opposing it.

It's no coincidence the unionist block stand locally with DUP etc and internationally with your own party leaders chosen terrorists Israel.

Unfortunate behavior from different football fans can indeed bring the charge of 1 is as bad as the other- but that's not a charge that always holds in politics as one postiion can be often right and opposing it is simply wrong- apartheid , partition of Ireland, Israel etc.

You can pick on other political parties all you want but it's labour who have a leader who will actually sack his own Mps for doing nothing more than stand with strikers- a position any right thinking person must recognize as shameful for your party

Try as you might to offer some party members doing the right thing your party leadership are indeed shameful and its also a shameful political direction of simply shadowing the Tories that your party continues to follow

Well beyond shameful that your party no longer stands with the workers but with those exploiting them.

When a political position is wrong- it's wrong and your party will continue to offer no alternative to the Tories until these major wrongs are righted
 
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Camden

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The thread title is Labours Shame and very unfortunate but highly telling that you find Celtic fans standing in support of Palestine or Ireland as sectarian.

The reason you do so is your unionist position is itself highly sectarian and therefore you throw that charge at anyone opposing it.

It's no coincidence the unionist block stand locally with DUP etc and internationally with your own party leaders chosen terrorists Israel.

Unfortunate behavior from different football fans can indeed bring the charge of 1 is as bad as the other- but that's not a charge that always holds in politics as one postiion can be often right and opposing it is simply wrong- apartheid , partition of Ireland, Israel etc.

You can pick on other political parties all you want but it's labour who have a leader who will actually sack his own Mps for doing nothing more than stand with strikers- a position any right thinking person must recognize as shameful for your party

Try as you might to offer some party members doing the right thing your party leadership are indeed shameful and its also a shameful political direction of simply shadowing the Tories that your party continues to follow

Well beyond shameful that your party no longer stands with the workers but with those exploiting them.

When a political position is wrong- it's wrong and your party will continue to offer no alternative to the Tories until these major wrongs are righted

As usual projecting falsehoods on the person that highlights your use of the Nationalist double standard.

As I made no comment either on the photo or on the Celtic fans holding Palestinian flags at all ( good on them ) projection on your part. Nor did I relate it to sectarianism. Again your own usual projection trying to discredit someone, when unable to give a coherent answer to charges made.

Whilst it's good to see the fans of Celtic have some critical thinking, ( lacking in yourself ) by demonstrating against both the SNP and the Tories .. when they don't like their policy.

I still stand by we do not want the spilling into Scottish politics the Secteranism shown historically by the fans of these two teams Celtic and Rangers with many of them having known links to the extremes in NI ? ... I think we do not, do you ???


You said it is a " The thread title is Labours Shame " but you were quite happy to post on a Non-Labour-related Celtic stance on the Tories'.... post.

But when I continue on the Scottish theme you brought up .. I am not allowed to mention SNP when they are aping Tory policy in Scotland refusing to meet or speak to Unions and strikers in Scotrail ... ???

But of course, that is the Nationalist double standard at play ..

I wait in anticipation in seeing your equal condemnation of the SNP, on the SNP thread then, on the SNP Tory strike policy ... but wont hold my breath.

It wouldn't be half as bad if you had even got it right when talking about Scotland on who to shame... no shame in SNP's Tory policy ... but in your eyes its shame on Labour in Scotland ... even though the Scottish Labour leader lent his support and joined with the Scotrail strikers at the Unions Demonstration in Edinburgh ..
 
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Saoirse

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Cut to the chase

Do you recognize the utter shame and detachment from your traditional core support your leadership has brought on labour?

By following and expanding his determined mirroring of Tory policies as well as reneging entirely on progressive policies re hard Brexit freedom of movement nationalisation etc - which he swore he would pursue when being elected party leader- can you not see the entire credibility deficit he and your party now have?

At every turn from siding against strikers to pursuing hard Brexit to refusing democracy in Scotland he's reduced your party to pound shop Tories.

As regards the odious Tories have a look through my postings on cost of living thread

None so blind
 

enoch

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I don't really do politics. But all the people weather labour or tory have been badly let down with government lately.
 

Saoirse

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Very true and that's what makes it so important that any potential replacement government clearly distance themselves entirely from the current political direction which has been disastrous in so many ways.

If we accept the current policies are wrong and unacceptable then there's not any point in electing a different useless PM who's determined to deliver the same nonsense.

Radical change is needed not a window dressing Tweedledum Tweedledee cosy arrangement that brings same old same old.

Starmer has been at pains to say there will not be radical change under him and has demonstrated that already so swapping Truss for Starmer would be like putting wheels on a banana 🍌- time consuming and entirely pointless;

Britain needs a credible opposition and by virtue of sensible postings on TLF there's a momentum already building to have Maisie elected as next PM.

Would you possibly be interested in the deputy post?

MAISIE/ ENOCH.
The Sensible Choice.
Vote 1 and 2
 
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