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I have done some research about the history of Israel and have come to an conclusion that yes there has been much blood shed the Israeli people initially just wanted to be left alone. I will give you the link at the end of this posting for you to read yourself. I went into readi this open minded and wanted to learn the truth. Here it is in a nutshell.
- Israel could never be at peace because it's neighbours would never allow it.
Here is a copy and past I took for what was the 1967- 6 day war.
On May 30, Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt, readying itself for war. Nasser stated: "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel...to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations."
On June 4, Iraq likewise joined a military alliance with Egypt and committed itself to war. On May 31, the Iraqi President Rahman Aref announced, "This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."
As it turns out these countries underestimated Israel and lost. They not only lost but lost a considerable chunk of land mass.
Israel was willing to return this land it overtook in it's victory for a universal peace treatybut they were only offered part and parcel one, so they refused to give back the land.
There was very little assistance by the Americans at this point. The French helped out mostly with military equipment. The enemies of Isreal had the USSR backing them with the most up to date equipment and in Oct 73 Egupt and Syria launched another attack on Israel. Israel once again ended up victorious.
This UN Resoluion 242 that Philip often brings up basically consists of this,
(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."
The Arabs attempted to get the Israelies to pull back as 242 mention but with just partial offerings of peace. Israeli PM Golda Meir, who insisted that Israeli troops would not budge until there was a peace agreement in place.
That tells me that Israel would have retreated if they were offered a full peace agreement.
The Israelis were attacked, won, gained land, and then were told they should give this land back for nothing. Does not make sense to me.
So as I understand this is the way it is today. Israel was never offered a peace agreement as the Arabs and it's neighbours vowed they never would.
Israel in time understood this and started to extend their nation into the newly acquired land they won in battle. I agree the treatment of the palestinians have been terrible, but it was the same treatment from the Palestians against the Jewish people years before that. Not making light of it, just saying it's not all one sided. From what I understand, because the muslims would never agree to a peace treaty with the Jews the Jews are expanding thier homes into what is now their land won through a war they didn't start. I am sure Philip has read this and my question to you is, Resolution 242 was on the table and would have passed if a full peace treaty was signed. By the statements you have seen why should the Israeli government give up this land for nothing? I am sure that if a full peace agreement involving all countries that were against Israel then maybe that would still be an option. Yes we all know that Israel is much stronger then the Palestinians these days, so why do they continue to attack Israel? Yes Israel can inflict incredible harm so why attack them. If I were at war and my enemy only had a hand gun, but was shooting at me I would have no problem using my .50cal against him. War is not about playing fair, it's war. Two gangs fight, one gang brings 12 the other brings 20, tough luck for the smaller gang wouldn't you say.
Yes America is supporting Israel but if there wasn't this support you can be sure by past and present resentments that Israel would be attacked and attacked until it was wiped off of the face of the earth.
Here is the link,
Brief History of of Palestine, Israel and the Israeli Palestinian Conflict (Arab-Israeli conflict, Middle East Conflict)
Bob
- Israel could never be at peace because it's neighbours would never allow it.
Here is a copy and past I took for what was the 1967- 6 day war.
On May 30, Jordan signed a defense pact with Egypt, readying itself for war. Nasser stated: "The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon are poised on the borders of Israel...to face the challenge, while standing behind us are the armies of Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait, Sudan and the whole Arab nation. This act will astound the world. Today they will know that the Arabs are arranged for battle, the critical hour has arrived. We have reached the stage of serious action and not declarations."
On June 4, Iraq likewise joined a military alliance with Egypt and committed itself to war. On May 31, the Iraqi President Rahman Aref announced, "This is our opportunity to wipe out the ignominy which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear--to wipe Israel off the map."
As it turns out these countries underestimated Israel and lost. They not only lost but lost a considerable chunk of land mass.
Israel was willing to return this land it overtook in it's victory for a universal peace treatybut they were only offered part and parcel one, so they refused to give back the land.
There was very little assistance by the Americans at this point. The French helped out mostly with military equipment. The enemies of Isreal had the USSR backing them with the most up to date equipment and in Oct 73 Egupt and Syria launched another attack on Israel. Israel once again ended up victorious.
This UN Resoluion 242 that Philip often brings up basically consists of this,
(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."
The Arabs attempted to get the Israelies to pull back as 242 mention but with just partial offerings of peace. Israeli PM Golda Meir, who insisted that Israeli troops would not budge until there was a peace agreement in place.
That tells me that Israel would have retreated if they were offered a full peace agreement.
The Israelis were attacked, won, gained land, and then were told they should give this land back for nothing. Does not make sense to me.
So as I understand this is the way it is today. Israel was never offered a peace agreement as the Arabs and it's neighbours vowed they never would.
Israel in time understood this and started to extend their nation into the newly acquired land they won in battle. I agree the treatment of the palestinians have been terrible, but it was the same treatment from the Palestians against the Jewish people years before that. Not making light of it, just saying it's not all one sided. From what I understand, because the muslims would never agree to a peace treaty with the Jews the Jews are expanding thier homes into what is now their land won through a war they didn't start. I am sure Philip has read this and my question to you is, Resolution 242 was on the table and would have passed if a full peace treaty was signed. By the statements you have seen why should the Israeli government give up this land for nothing? I am sure that if a full peace agreement involving all countries that were against Israel then maybe that would still be an option. Yes we all know that Israel is much stronger then the Palestinians these days, so why do they continue to attack Israel? Yes Israel can inflict incredible harm so why attack them. If I were at war and my enemy only had a hand gun, but was shooting at me I would have no problem using my .50cal against him. War is not about playing fair, it's war. Two gangs fight, one gang brings 12 the other brings 20, tough luck for the smaller gang wouldn't you say.
Yes America is supporting Israel but if there wasn't this support you can be sure by past and present resentments that Israel would be attacked and attacked until it was wiped off of the face of the earth.
Here is the link,
Brief History of of Palestine, Israel and the Israeli Palestinian Conflict (Arab-Israeli conflict, Middle East Conflict)
Bob
