TLF what now

  • Mothball it for reference - no more posts

    Votes: 7 8.6%
  • Shut it down and delete everything

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Ban the troublemakers and carry on

    Votes: 66 81.5%
  • Other options - please post suggestions

    Votes: 7 8.6%

  • Total voters
    81
Status
Not open for further replies.

Mushtaq

Founding Member
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
For a while now I am getting the feeling that maybe time has come to close this forum down.

There seem to be mainly argument between very few members about the same things, often there is much mud slinging and complaints to mods.

My main reasons for starting this forum was to exchange information about Turkey amongst people who had the same interests but mainly about Turkey.

Times have changed and many of the original members have left or passed away.

Due to fewer active members and thus less usage of the forum, the advertisement revenues I used to receive have declined over the years, gradually it's getting to the stage where it will cost me to run the forum, much like the early years when I paid all the bills and spent many hours running the forum.

Now I don't have a lot of time or funds to invest in something where I get constant alerts and complaints about members being childish or abusive.

So I'm asking myself is there a need for TLF still?
 

429nufc

Member
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
As less people are buying in Turkey and many who bought in the boom years return to Their home countries, or even die off , the profile of the membership has changed. There is less need for advice or information on the country.
Equally there is less feedback when advice is sought.

Maybe it has run its course there are still some on the forum giving good help and advice but not much demand for it.

I think some members have too much time on their hands, even those of us with an interest in U.K. politics get turned off by the reams of downloads of political comment masquerading as information









 
Last edited:

immac

Senior Member Has-Been
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
Unfortunately I know exactly what you mean. Ban the trouble makers and carry on, is my vote. Suspending for a few days does not work, so one strike and next time you are out, and make sure they don't come back under another name as has happened in the past.

The Brexit thread is a good example. Completely circular arguments over thousands of posts, where nobody has changed their mind on anything from start to finish. It just becomes a battle of the quotes taken from various newspapers with little original thought - argument and insults just for the sake of it - eventually a very unpleasant place to visit.

In the past, when I have encouraged a back-to-basics style, the opposition comes from the people who want the argumentative (aggressive) posts that often have nothing to do with Turkey.

I believe that Mods should be encouraged to be far more authoritarian without having to justify their actions - close threads that have run their course, censure abusive members, encourage discourse and stamp on those that need it - and their are only a handful of those, but they spoil it for everyone because they want to be centre of attention, even when they have nothing to contribute. I have taken the line with more aggressive members to ignore and not respond to them or their posts - I don't come here to be bullied, and will not allow them the courtesy of acknowledgement - my own version of giving them one chance then side-line them, and I would encourage others to do the same. I know that one or two have actually used PMs to try to encourage others to aggressively gang up against individuals they take against - how perverted is that?

On the up-side, TLF is my first point of reference on things about Turkey, and my first Web site every day. Things that are on-topic - from high Turkish finance to how to fix your water heater - are the real issues that matter to me. TLF is still highly relevant to me, but spoiled by a handful of unpleasant members.

Please, keep it going, but get tough.

Ian
 
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
Unfortunately I know exactly what you mean. Ban the trouble makers and carry on, is my vote. Suspending for a few days does not work, so one strike and next time you are out, and make sure they don't come back under another name as has happened in the past.

The Brexit thread is a good example. Completely circular arguments over thousands of posts, where nobody has changed their mind on anything from start to finish. It just becomes a battle of the quotes taken from various newspapers with little original thought - argument and insults just for the sake of it - eventually a very unpleasant place to visit.

In the past, when I have encouraged a back-to-basics style, the opposition comes from the people who want the argumentative (aggressive) posts that often have nothing to do with Turkey.

I believe that Mods should be encouraged to be far more authoritarian without having to justify their actions - close threads that have run their course, censure abusive members, encourage discourse and stamp on those that need it - and their are only a handful of those, but they spoil it for everyone because they want to be centre of attention, even when they have nothing to contribute. I have taken the line with more aggressive members to ignore and not respond to them or their posts - I don't come here to be bullied, and will not allow them the courtesy of acknowledgement - my own version of giving them one chance then side-line them, and I would encourage others to do the same. I know that one or two have actually used PMs to try to encourage others to aggressively gang up against individuals they take against - how perverted is that?

On the up-side, TLF is my first point of reference on things about Turkey, and my first Web site every day. Things that are on-topic - from high Turkish finance to how to fix your water heater - are the real issues that matter to me. TLF is still highly relevant to me, but spoiled by a handful of unpleasant members.

Please, keep it going, but get tough.

Ian

Great post Ian. Agree 100%. I tend to dip in and out these days simply because
of the predictable same old same old content and insults from the same old same old people . I would make excuses in part re the Brexit thread as I accept it does arouse strong feelings and views around the country. However one member in particular is a real turn off for me (and for others I am sure.). So yes- keep the forum going but give mods full authority and encourage them to stamp out the unpleasantness and pettiness that abounds these days.
 

shash

shash
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I do hope you don't have to shut down. Yes you're right many posts are just argumentative and that is seriously boring especially when users think they know everything (much from fake news sadly ) .And sometimes known nothing. I certainly love to hear and learn about stuff in Turkey as well as a few outside of Turkey posts. I'm sure there are still many people living in Turkey or like me a part timer in Turkey that would really love to contribute but posts often get moved along in what then becomes an argument or an ignore. I've personally asked several questions on here and it's very rare that any answer comes forth. But I love TLF and have done for 15 years. I think more newbies would come if they were allowed into the clique. I like to be honest and truthful about how I feel because nothing will change unless there's honesty and loyalty.
I personally think you've done a great job and like someone else said I look into TLF several times a day and it's always opened over breakfast.
I tried to get people talking/posting on my post (can't find it now) about real living in Turkey and there were many very interesting posts and it gave such an insight into living in Turkey. To me they were the real people living and breathing Turkey. But it dropped off and as I said I can't remember the thread name so it's difficult to bring up on my phone.
So come on everyone let's help to keep this going. One man set this up and without his wish to bring this to us we would be a lot less wiser about Turkey.
Thank you.
 
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
Well Ive voted to ban the trouble makers & move on. If Im adjudge to be a trouble maker, I'll take my licks. I will though in the meantime continue to challenge an outright troll on here & I don't think I even have to name him.
 

Camden

Member
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I speak as a person who viewed for a while before beginning to post and I think TLF still has a lot to offer and has in the past both in information and in the "crack ".

Before joining I saw a cull of members because I think it was sinking into racial vitriol. It helped but became a quieter forum for a while, but my view is underneath there seem to be some personal simmering rivalries between the TLF old guard which raises its head from time to time and it is easy to be sucked into it .. which could be solved if these members just pmd each other and argued it out. .

But when its not nipped in the bud early, but allowed to continue, then the original topic and thread are lost and it becomes boring ....

Maybe then even new wannabe members feel some trepidation to post in case they are sucked in or even attacked themselves.

I know the moderator jobs are hard and difficult to fill the positions so it's this is not meant to place all the blame on them, as I said above others are equally to blame .

But I know Mods have their own views, but at times have seen some not live up to the moderation label , but actually instigate or encourage even start an argument ,with those who have simmering old rivalries knowing which buttons to press.

I was glad you once before took up my suggestion from what I had seen happened on the other forums I participate on ref Mods.. in not allowing a mod to moderate a thread they were taking part in. Which helped a little.

But then you find again under their own names they aren't moderated much by their own fellow mods so can slip back.

I personally as you know was stopped posting my opinion on a thread by a Mod ,who had a different opinion, and used his position to stifle opposition to anything but his own opinion and that of his own old clique ... but the above has helped some, with him not being allowed to moderate a thread he participates in. But this new Rule should be known is the case by all the Members ....

A Robust difference of opinion is healthy I think in a forum but silliness should be nipped in the bud quick.

Just banning members just depletes membership and it goes quiet as seen when it was done before. Yes your right some troublemakers on some threads are a pain, but on other threads they can as seen offer good information and interesting topics , experiences. So as I said ,just nip it in the bud by a quick deletion of the posters post ...

But as for trying to increase more posting by new members...,maybe new members should only get a taster to the more informative, actual Turkish living threads, full access given after a certain amount of posts from them .

I think TLF of should of course be mainly on Turkish events ,information and experiences ,but there isn't enough threads on that to sustain the forum ( and those who complain it is so, don't themselves post regularly enough to make it so ) So you still need a broader base of external interests to generate a bigger interest........... I personally would like TLF to continue, but it is your Business Mushtaq and if the advertising is down your call..... I thank you anyway,

ps. seven members posted so far including myself but only three voted one of then me....why ?
 
Last edited:

shash

shash
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I would suggest nipping things in the bud before posts turn into a keyboard warrior trolling expedition. Rather than banning anyone unless of course a ban is really necessary which mods would decide that. Sadly on anything like this and other media it's too easy to vent inner most hatred and vitriolic feelings by writing . It is also unfortunate that it's a reflection of a person's state of mind. Nobody minds an intelligent exchange I'm sure, however as I said it's so easy to vent from ones sad inner soul and create mayhem to the point that a post is just not worth following because of the side tracking. It's par for the course these days but you have the power to stop it before it gets out of hand.
 

A89

Member
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I would certainly be very disappointed to loose TLF! Its usually my first port of call with any questions I have . I do agree posts about living in Turkey having dropped off, mainly in my opinion due to the huge rise in Facebook pages and many of the original members having left Turkey or sadly died. But often when I mention TLF to anyone they say theyve heard that it can be quite vicious and many have looked in and seen arguments taking place and been put off by that. I agree that people should be able to give their opinions but a line is often crossed and respect flies out of the wındow. I think any posts that are disrespectful should be removed asap, the member warned and if the same person is again and again breaking the rule they then should be banned.


alison
 

immac

Senior Member Has-Been
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I am following (but not participating) another Forum local to Fethiye which is dying a slow agonising death. Some days nothing is posted, many days nothing of value or interest is posted. It is noted for a small clique who round on anyone who they take against: result = few new members and less and less relevance - a spiral of decay.

I think TLF is well away from that, but I can see how new members are put off from participating by the actions of a few, who contribute very little, but pull down so many. As A89 points out, new members are the life blood of any forum. Stay relevant and focused is the point.

Ian
 

immac

Senior Member Has-Been
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I am following (but not participating) another Forum local to Fethiye which is dying a slow agonising death. Some days nothing is posted, many days nothing of value or interest is posted. It is noted for a small clique who round on anyone who they take against: result = few new members and less and less relevance - a spiral of decay.

I think TLF is well away from that, but I can see how new members are put off from participating by the actions of a few, who contribute very little, but pull down so many. As A89 points out, new members are the life blood of any forum. Stay relevant and focused is the point.

Ian

Oops! Can't delete!
 
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I was a mod (under a different name as now have forgotten my sign in information) when there were less than 10K members. I rarely glance at it now as there are so many threads not about Turkey which the forum was set up for.

I get fed up seeing the 'Brexit,Donald Trump,Boris etc. thread' and other similar ones with nothing about Turkey in them. I think a good 'prune' of these threads should take place and maybe members that keep them going.

It is Turkey and new information that I am interested in.
 

SonnyJim

Living in Paradise!
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
As previously said there are so many Facebook sites now that offer good, solid information TLF is now not so relevant. When I do look in quite often I have already seen the threads on FB, which I have to say is more user friendly.

It seems there is still a good following, but if it is too time consuming and costly for you maybe it is time to say good bye. Rather selfishly I would like it to continue but times are a changing!!
 

Hilsjw

Member
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
I look into our Forum first thing in the morning with a cup of tea. I would miss it if it went. I always comment on what did you have for dinner ! Sometimes comment on other issues but I never get involved with the petty arguments that seem to go on and on. So childish and, can I say it ? They are mostly male members of the Forum. Heck !! I hope I've not caused another spate of argument !!!
 

IbrahimAbi

Grey wisdom
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
An interesting thread. For my two-penneth I would like to add that yes, there maybe some interesting Facebook sites on Turkey, but not everyone wants a Facebook account. I certainly will never have one.
 

Billy Joe

Member
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
It is my opinion that the Forum went downhill when you bowed to pressure and made a certain member a Mod,he was a constant scourge on the site so the easy option for you was to make him a Mod.This was only aided by other Mods who through appeasement agreed with this.It is my opinion that many good members now do not post because of this,a few of whom have PMd me to this effect.
Dare I say I am entering the territory of being banned again,which I was for a lengthy period a year or so ago,not for a few days as now seems to be the norm for the Ambassador from Ukraine.
You did ask.
 

Chris295

Member
Has TLF run it's course and should be put to sleep?
Having been a member and a mod of various fora over the years, both Turkey centric and otherwise I have found the most effective method of staying out of nasty political threads is to block the offending posters myself so that I do not see their posts but see the rest of the thread. Sure this makes Political/Racist/Bitchy threads a little difficult to follow sometimes but then although I have fairly strong views about some things I don't have to see others views if I don't want to.

The only other effective way is to give the mod team strict guidelines, have clear cut rules for posting and pursue a longstanding policy of banning without hesitation. Only by sustaining this policy will offensive posters be deterred from rejoining under another user name. It works, it can make the membership numbers drop permanently but do you really want these posters? If people are complaining about them then the answer is No.

My opinion is to take the second option and maintain it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest Posts

Top Bottom