get your ends on.
This is one of the pieces i gave to my learner group last week.
İ wrote this because someone dubiously asked 'well cant people guess what we are saying..as we would guess when people are trying English.'i think he was hoping for some consolation from me haha.
Realistically some people might try to guess... but most would fix a grin and be too nice to hurt your feelings.

So...what happens if you dont put the right ends/suffixes on.
Here are a few scenarios to illustrate why you should try to understand the importance of suffixes..people wont guess what you are trying to say in this sort of case.

Example....you want to say
he doesnt like her
theres no gender in Turkish.
the word for he she it is O
can you say O O sevmiyor?
NO.
it would have no meaning. and this isn't something that people are likely to guess!.

so how do you get the meaning across.
you could use the names
John doesnt love Jill in english the meaning is clear that its Jack that doesn't love Jill.
lets try it in Turkish without the endings.
John Jill sevmiyor or John sevmiyor Jill or Jill sevmiyor john...
none of these phrases express what you want to say.
in this Turkish sentence you still dont know if its John that doesn't love jill or jill that doesn't love John. Can you see that?
the equivalent in english is john jill doesn't love it still doesnt make sense.
so you have to know the right pronoun endings and THE as a direct object

lets just take O/he she it.. for our example today. ive put the same endings on the other pronouns in brackets as a reminder.
O he she it..the bare case. (ben sen siz biz onlar)
ONU the direct object or THE (beni seni bizi sizi onları
ONA to he she or it (Bana sana bize size onlara)
ONDA on he she or it ( Bende sende bizde sizde )
ONDAN
from he she or it (benden senden bizden sizden onlardan)
ONUN belonging to he she or it. ( Benim senin bizim sizin onların)

so now you can be clearer and put the 'THE' on the direct object of the verb
John onu sevmiyor John (the) her doesn't love
O John'u sevmiyor. She the John doesn't love

Another scenario
you need to say ''i am going to England next week for two weeks''
Try that one on me...pretend im Turkish and cant understand a word of English.
ok..and i will accept hand signals but no rude gestures !
heres the words you need without the ends...im not that kind.
Gitmek to go
İngiltere
E/A to
gelecek future (x2 in the sentence)
hafta week
iki two.
İM i am. there's a clue there in that harmony (see i am a bit kind)
için for

did you get it..?



Some more to try...you wont know some of the words but just try to think how you would express the meaning.
My wife doesn't like our neighbours. beğenmek like
Our neighbours dont like my wife.
Tomorrow my friend will visit me. ziyaret etmek to visit
she likes his music
i like your new house.
we want to buy her car
they want to buy our car.
john wants to buy jills car


have a good look at the following phrases which have endings that mean THE/ the direct object... i want to show you how its used all the time.
İ Ü I U or after a vowel yi yü yı yu using the Y buffer letter.

Obaköy’ü biliyorum I know (the) Obaköy
Ron’u tanıyorum I am acquainted with (the) Ron
İstanbul’u seviyorum I love (the) İstanbul
Beni anlıyor musun? Are you understanding (the) me? ben+i the me.
Lynne'yi’ arıyorum I am looking for (the) Lynne
Jim’i bekleme! Don’t wait for (the) Jim
İzmir'i çok özledim I missed (the) İzmir very much
Şu kalemi dene. Try this (the) pen!
Kitabı getir. Bring the book
Çöpü götürsün!. He should take the trash away! a polite imperative.
Kalemi istiyorum I want the pen
Kapıyı açın! Open the door! polite imperative
Pencereyi kapat! Close the window! imperative
Her zaman seni düşünüyorum I am thinking of (the) you all the time sen+i the you
Ödevi bitirdim I finished my (the) homework
Köfteyi pişireyim I shall cook the Köfte (this is an optative verb mood)
Beni unutma! Don’t forget (the) me!
Mark'ı gördüm I saw (the) Mark
Denize gidiyoruz We are going to the sea
Köpekten korkma! Don’t be afraid from) the dog!
Telefonu unutma! Don’t forget the telephone!
Bugünü her zaman hatırla! Always remember today (this day)!
Derse başladık We started the lesson
Derste gramer öğrendik We learned grammar in the lesson
Dersi bitirdik we finished the lesson
:cheer2: phew!
 

Harem

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get your ends on.
Shirley, I have tried to say that I have lost three black cats since I have lived in this house - but have failed miserably!!! What should I be saying in Turkish, please.
 
get your ends on.
Shirley, I have tried to say that I have lost three black cats since I have lived in this house - but have failed miserably!!! What should I be saying in Turkish, please.
Emmy you need to use den/dan beri which means since
bu evde otuduğumdan beri üç kedi kaybettim
 
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GnD

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get your ends on.
Oh Shirley You are my hero!

THese are exactly my mental block yet I have and keep reading so many examples!!!! Superb lesson XxxX

Debbie

I get confused when there is a directional verb, eg denize - does the e to imply the "the"?

Also why does ders change? I get derste as in "in"; but derse başladık start the lesson ?

Is it one of those verbs like Bakmak (that's probably wrong sorry) which denotes at therefore its e instead? I am so very bad at explaining but see blonde seeping through.............
 
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get your ends on.
some verbs take case endings..and we have this same type of thing in English.
Başlamak.to start takes the dative..so the noun referring to starting/başlamak will take the E/A end.
dersE başladık lesson to we started.
denizE to the sea we are going.

for an easy way to study the idea take a look at the verbs that take DEN/DAN meaning from

okuldan bıktım school from bored i am. in the same way that in english we would say bored To death not from... or afraid OF something whereas the Turkish will say afraid FROM..


these verbs take from
bıkmak -> get bored by or with
hoşlanmak -> like
huylanmak -> suspect
iğrenmek -> feel disgust
kaynaklanmak -> source
korkmak -> fear
nefret etmek -> hate
usanmak -> get bored
vazgeçmek -> evacuate, leave

theres a greek man who has a site about verbs..he teaches turkish in Athens..i will look for the url its missing among my bookmarks at the moment.
 
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GnD

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get your ends on.
Priceless, I so should be paying a donation for this, you need a paypal account to receive money Shirley. I am serious!!!!

Anyway here is my attempt at the sentences please don't laugh I am very very bad but not for the want of trying.

Sonra hafta Ingiltereye icin iki hafta geleceğim.
Benim eşim bizimi NEIGHBOURS =+ niz (?) beğenmiyor .
Bizim neighbours benim eşimi beğenmiyorlar.
Onunu muziksi beğeniyor.
Senu yeni evsi yi beğeniyorum.
Onunu arabasiyi almak istiyoruz.
Bizim arabasiyi almak istiyorlar.
John Jill’in arabasiyi almak istiyor
 

Sunny Seasider

Life is so precious
get your ends on.
Thank You Shirley, it's the endings, for me that are the hardest part, past/present/future, always I get these mixed up. I really appreciate these threads.

Lesley

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Harem

I've cliqued
get your ends on.
Shirley, thank you so very much for not only the superb lesson, but also for my translation and explanation of how I get there!!!
 
get your ends on.
Debbie here are the sentences you asked about..i can see where you are going wrong. have a look and compare them.

1.Next week i am going to England for two weeks
gelecek hafta iki hafta için İngiltere'ye gideceğim

2.My wife doesn't like our neighbours.
eşim komşularımızı beğenmiyor the direct object is on neighbours

3.Our neighbours dont like my wife.
komşularımız eşimi beğenmiyorlar now the direct object is on my wife.

3.Tomorrow my friend will visit me.
yarın arkadaşım beni ziyaret edecek the direct object is on me ben+i

4.she likes his music
o onun müziğini seviyor this isnt really a good sentence for a Türk..but it serves to show the ends...i should have picked a better example.( think i was a bit tipsy when i wrote these sentences. haha)
two suffixes here onun müziğ+i+n+i a possessive and a direct object.buffer N to denote a 2nd suffix.

5.i like your new house.
yeni evinizi beğeniyorum

6.we want to buy her car
onun arabasını satın almak istiyoruz
araba+sı+n+ı two suffixes the 2nd takes a buffer N
Y is only used as a buffer for the first suffix.


they want to buy our car.
Onlar arabamımızı satın almak istiyorlar
arabamımız+ı direct object one suffix.

john wants to buy jill's car
John Jilly'in arabasını satın almak istiyor.
 
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GnD

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get your ends on.
:Flower: Right will seriously study these this evening.

Thank you just isn't enough.:1:
 

REDDERS

senior member
get your ends on.
Me too,another alnighter,& i'm going to lose an hour...lol,thanks shirley,but try as i might all this is getting sooo complicated.....phew.

Martin.
 

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