enoch

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Camden

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Window dressing, for home and abroad distraction from present woes. There is no way any New Turkish Constitution, being brought up for discussion by the President is being done to roll back his own powers. Nor is it an offer of more open and transparent Governance, or a return of democratic oversight, by overturning the changes he made in 2017.

The changes to the Constitution in 2017 were done to allow him legally to extend his term in power. To also rid himself of any future rival within his own Party, by allowing himself in law to be both head of the Government and his Political Party ( not allowed to a President before) Also abolishing any power platform to any rivals, by abolishing the office and role of PM and deputy.

Also in the 2017 changes he was able to create a system that did away from any Parliamentary control or oversight, bringing in a one man Executive Presidency ,allowing him to rule by Presidential degree. In doing so he assumed the same powers granted to him only temporally due to the coup. Under the "emergency powers act OHAL " Granted before his changes on Parliamentary oversight, which only allowed it on 2 monthly review. The Draconian OHAL becoming now Permanent.

There is no way he will allow any New Constitution diminish these powers gained in 2017 . But discussion on a New Constitution has three fold advantages for him, as it will certainly divide his growing opposition and change the present news cycle . A New Constitution he could again ask to restart the clock on his term in power, with extension as he did in 2017. It also looks to the EU and the new Administration in the US that he is changing direction willing and open to Change from his present style of Governance with mock democratic dialogue on the future .
 
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Camden

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It looks like the New Constitution in parts may be taken to referendum as the ruling party may not have the votes, to stop parts being put to the people. It isn't the same as 2017 with many New Parties diluting the vote, and their Judas partner last time the MHP doesn't have so many seats as before with its Party split with the appearance of the Iyi Party led by an ex MHP MP. Who may be hard to persuade to side with them if their recent statement is to believe .... saying the New Constitution was a distraction with them stating the economy needs sorted first ...

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, AYM Başkanı’yla bir araya geldi
 

enoch

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It looks like the New Constitution in parts may be taken to referendum as the ruling party may not have the votes, to stop parts being put to the people. It isn't the same as 2017 with many New Parties diluting the vote, and their Judas partner last time the MHP doesn't have so many seats as before with its Party split with the appearance of the Iyi Party led by an ex MHP MP. Who may be hard to persuade to side with them if their recent statement is to believe .... saying the New Constitution was a distraction with them stating the economy needs sorted first ...

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, AYM Başkanı’yla bir araya geldi
Is that what's hitting the lira today?
 

Camden

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The MHP the far right parties vote is declining after the split made by a former MHP MP Meral Akşener who went on to form the IYI Party. Since MHP is an ally to the AKP whose own vote has waned somewhat, jitters are beginning to be seen by the calls for the lowering of the voting threshold to 5% or 7% from the 10% . As the way things are going the MHP might not meet the 10% ....

This could be the reason there has been an onslaught of litigation and arrests within the legally elected MP's who reflect the Turkish/Kurdish vote, the HDP party, who overcame the obstacle of the 10% threshold, that some say was meant to keep them out Parliament ....

The reduction of threshold whilst helping AKP's ally the right wing MHP it would also be an advantage to the HDP, which would risk them getting even more MP's, an anathema to the Nationalist AKP and far right MHP.

So the HDP is feeling the heat intensive propaganda campaign calling them traitors, followed by arrests etc .... So don't be surprised this more Democratic move of lowering the threshold. will be the opposite, and is just a lead up to saving their partners the MHP . but closing of the HDP, with it being banned as a Party altogether and a legal voice of a minority lost.


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Camden

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It was only a matter of time.....

Supreme Court Chief Public Prosecutor submits indictment to Constitutional Court for HDP's closure

Supreme Court Chief Public Prosecutor Bekir Şahin presented the indictment prepared to the Constitutional Court for the dissolution of the HDP.


 
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Hilsjw

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Sorry to be dumb, but what, in a nut shell does this mean for Turkey and its people ? Thank you.
 

enoch

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Sorry to be dumb, but what, in a nut shell does this mean for Turkey and its people ? Thank you.
It's a law suite to close the party down, because they say it has links to the pkk. There is other reasons but not on open fourm.
 

IbrahimAbi

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I can see this backfiring on the AKP. At the moment the opposition vote is diveded amongsth the CHP, HDP and the IYI party. Removing one of these will not help the cause in the long run. Short term I can see AKP people placed as MPs to replace the HDP MPs, but not long to the new election, what can be steam-rollered through before that?
 

enoch

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I can see this backfiring on the AKP. At the moment the opposition vote is diveded amongsth the CHP, HDP and the IYI party. Removing one of these will not help the cause in the long run. Short term I can see AKP people placed as MPs to replace the HDP MPs, but not long to the new election, what can be steam-rollered through before that?
I think your right. Well would you vote for someone who closed your political party.?
 

enoch

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A good start to the human rights Bill. The head of the human rights has been arrested.
 

enoch

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It was only a matter of time.....

Supreme Court Chief Public Prosecutor submits indictment to Constitutional Court for HDP's closure

Supreme Court Chief Public Prosecutor Bekir Şahin presented the indictment prepared to the Constitutional Court for the dissolution of the HDP.


Chief prosecutor wants all hdp Mps band from any public office or party. Wait for it and some are deceased...
 

Camden

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Chief prosecutor wants all hdp Mps band from any public office or party. Wait for it and some are deceased...


If it goes ahead and approved,then 67 legally elected parliamentary deputies will be thrown out of Parliament, denying the people of the S/E a voice.
Also if I believe right in the Turkish electoral system their places will go to the second party winner. Which in most cases will be from the ruling party the AKP ..or maybe they will implement the system as they did with the ousted HDP elected Mayors ,they were replaced with government appointed trustees. Govt yes men ...

This was inevitable move, when the ruling party had to lower the 10% threshold ( a threshold which normally was meant to keep the HDP out ) a lowered threshold was to help the now split and waning vote, of their Kurd hating ally the MHP to get seats in the next election ....because in lowering the threshold would also increase the left wing HDP Presence with extra seats in the Parliament.
 
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Saoirse

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Imho never a good idea banning political parties or limiting the electorates choice
Apart from it being totally wrong it doesn't work- ask the UK government........
 

IbrahimAbi

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The Constitutional Court on March 31 returned the indictment, which aimed to ban the Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP) due to the lack of procedure in the file.
 

Camden

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Unfortunately this politically motivated case will return before the election ...already Anadolu Agency reported. "The prosecution is expected to fix the deficiencies before petitioning the court again" .

 

enoch

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Unfortunately this politically motivated case will return before the election ...already Anadolu Agency reported. "The prosecution is expected to fix the deficiencies before petitioning the court again" .

1 hour ago mhp is as much as maybe we should shut the court is it against terrorism or not.
 

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