Camden

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Environmental concerns

Is Turkey a water-hoarding bogeyman or yet another nation struggling with water scarcity?​


Iraq and Syria accuse Turkey of using its many dams along the Euphrates to hoard water, but the situation could be more complicated
Turkey’s farmers are facing catastrophic levels of drought despite rains that initially staved off panic at the start of the year as reservoir levels shrunk to less than a quarter of their capacity.

Turkey’s water infrastructure has struggled to keep up, with 50 per cent of water lost to leaks before reaching the tap, the Water Policy Association said.

Water levels around Istanbul – home to about a fifth of Turkey’s population – fell to less than 25 per cent of their full capacity in January after months with no rain. Officials issued a warning at the time that the city would run out of water in 45 days.

Nearly three quarters of Turkey’s water consumption goes to agriculture and farmers say this year’s yield of crops such as wheat, barley and lentils have been reduced by at least a fifth.

 

enoch

Member
Environmental concerns

Is Turkey a water-hoarding bogeyman or yet another nation struggling with water scarcity?​


Iraq and Syria accuse Turkey of using its many dams along the Euphrates to hoard water, but the situation could be more complicated
Turkey’s farmers are facing catastrophic levels of drought despite rains that initially staved off panic at the start of the year as reservoir levels shrunk to less than a quarter of their capacity.

Turkey’s water infrastructure has struggled to keep up, with 50 per cent of water lost to leaks before reaching the tap, the Water Policy Association said.

Water levels around Istanbul – home to about a fifth of Turkey’s population – fell to less than 25 per cent of their full capacity in January after months with no rain. Officials issued a warning at the time that the city would run out of water in 45 days.

Nearly three quarters of Turkey’s water consumption goes to agriculture and farmers say this year’s yield of crops such as wheat, barley and lentils have been reduced by at least a fifth.

They are running out of water, this was a topic years ago in a bar and I was the only foreign.
 

Chasey

Member
Environmental concerns
More proof that the UK govt don't really care about the environment and for them its just a money-making scam

From October 2021 sub 75g Hybrid cars will no longer qualify for congestion charge relief.

From 2025 ZERO emission fully electric cars will no longer qualify for congestion charge relief?


So let me think?

Kia Nero long range electric £275 pcm lease cost (cheapest deal I can find)

or a VW T Cross SE spec at £173.00?

Or A Audi Q5 Electric at £622

Or a similar 50 spec Diesel Q5 for £485?

No brainer really. One does 200ish miles and my daughter would need to park it at a charging point 3 streets away as she in rented so can't get a charger fitted and the cars parked on the road and could be 100m away and the other does 450miles on a tank of gas with no hassel
 

Maisie

Member
Environmental concerns
I really cannot see how electric cars/vehicles are going to become the norm. I assume that the plan is that petrol and diesel will no longer be available in the UK at some future date. Hopefully, before this becomes the overall situation I will either be no longer driving, or I will be dead.

Are the government intending that all future housing will be built with charging points built in? What about the housing that is currently in use? The road I live in comprises terraced houses. My house is the last on this side of the road so is sort of semi detached. I also have an integral garage. So what happens here? Will the owners of this house then have to install a charging point? What about the other terraced houses in the road? On the opposite side, there is not a semi at either end (sounds strange but at both ends, there are major roads so no space to park at the side). There is already a parking problem as there are more cars owned in this road than there is space to park. I have visions of electric cables snaking across the pavement to charge a car parked in the road. Stupid! In this area mindless individuals already regularly destroy visible cabling on the outside of the houses that enables satellite systems.

What about other uses for petrol and diesel? Are motor bikes to become all electric fuelless? Motor lawn mowers, rotovators and chainsaws? F1 cars? Aviation?

How much is the electricity to charge vehicles going to cost? The same as petrol? Somehow I doubt that. What about the massive demand for example overnight, when car owners are recharging for the following day? Or will the charging points be connected via a separate meter in each house?

I have seen a car advert (make unknown - I can't remember) that says their cars are "self-charging". Aren't they already for the battery? Also there is an advert that says charging points are being provided free of charge in some supermarket car parks. Who pays for these, or are they operated with slot payments? Or will the prices in the store go up to cover the charge?

Whilst the concept of this is laudable I really cannot see how this is going to work. Probably won't be my problem, but somehow this is going to be very expensive to all concerned, although more particularly vehicle owners.

Just saying.

Maisie
 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Environmental concerns
I have just cancelled my 2nd order for an electric car due to the dealer trying to pull a fast one and skirting around the truth about availability., in answer to Chaseys post, it was a BMW IX3 Premier Pro, the cost was £453 per month including tyres, maintenance,, road tax (could be £0) and Insurance, having spent the best part of a £1000 on tyres, £600 on insurance, £450 on road tax alone in the last 12 months alone I thought it was a good deal, especially as there are free charging stations up here, that wont last as more people move to Electric in my opinion.

The crux of the matter is generation and transmission of the electricity, capacity has always been built around maximum demand, the move to electric cars and Air source heat pumps will well override maximum demand.

I am also trained on the design and installation and final testing of the domestic charging points, there is a suitability test to be done first and part of that test involves counting the number of already installed chargers on a street, if there are 30 houses on a street then only 10% of those houses will/should be able to have one installed, that's a baseline, it could be more. You also have to send the info to the local supply authority for them to make their assessment, are the 3 houses on the same phase ? is the local network/transformer up to the job ?

Its not so simple.
 

Maisie

Member
Environmental concerns
Oh wow! What do the other 90% do if they have an electric vehicle? Drive round adjacent streets (which in this area have resident parking only schemes) trying to find a charging point free/available? There are 49 properties in this road, with about 70% converted into flats or HMOs (up to six separate accommodations), thereby increasing the number of vehicles 'owned' in the road. There are only 19 parking spaces available. Obviously, this doesn't work now, with the council issuing - and charging for - resident parking permits to all who apply. Causes many arguments!

What are owners of vintage vehicles supposed to do? I assume that there will be no plans for introducing "converter" packs for petrol/diesel vehicles. Even assuming that these would be available, I can just see these owners parking their vehicles streets away just to charge them!

I assume from what Yalimart says, the charging points are not intended to be attached to a particular property. This will drive up house prices in certain areas, i.e. is there a charging point nearby/outside? How many vehicles will be vying for this charging point? Estate Agents will have to do a lot of homework by calculating the number of vehicles in an area where they are trying to sell a house in relation to how many charging points are nearby/available. Also taking into account the number of vehicles from "outside" the area driving in to use a charging point. Vehicles from outside this area already park without a permit and take a chance on not being ticketed. Generally these people get away with this as a Traffic Warden is only seen in the road perhaps once a week. The whole idea is ridiculous and unworkable.

As I said before - the idea is laudable. But I don't think the government has calculated the problems in compiling any workable plan for the nitty gritty of making all vehicles electric. Still, I suppose they have a few years to get to grips with this, but I would not put any money on it!

Shambles.

Maisie
 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Environmental concerns
Oh wow! What do the other 90% do if they have an electric vehicle? Drive round adjacent streets (which in this area have resident parking only schemes) trying to find a charging point free/available? There are 49 properties in this road, with about 70% converted into flats or HMOs (up to six separate accommodations), thereby increasing the number of vehicles 'owned' in the road. There are only 19 parking spaces available. Obviously, this doesn't work now, with the council issuing - and charging for - resident parking permits to all who apply. Causes many arguments!

What are owners of vintage vehicles supposed to do? I assume that there will be no plans for introducing "converter" packs for petrol/diesel vehicles. Even assuming that these would be available, I can just see these owners parking their vehicles streets away just to charge them!

I assume from what Yalimart says, the charging points are not intended to be attached to a particular property. This will drive up house prices in certain areas, i.e. is there a charging point nearby/outside? How many vehicles will be vying for this charging point? Estate Agents will have to do a lot of homework by calculating the number of vehicles in an area where they are trying to sell a house in relation to how many charging points are nearby/available. Also taking into account the number of vehicles from "outside" the area driving in to use a charging point. Vehicles from outside this area already park without a permit and take a chance on not being ticketed. Generally these people get away with this as a Traffic Warden is only seen in the road perhaps once a week. The whole idea is ridiculous and unworkable.

As I said before - the idea is laudable. But I don't think the government has calculated the problems in compiling any workable plan for the nitty gritty of making all vehicles electric. Still, I suppose they have a few years to get to grips with this, but I would not put any money on it!

Shambles.

Maisie
Maisie,
The charging points I mentioned were domestic and attached to individual properties, technically if your area network is up to it all homes could have one, however as you mention the logistics will make that nigh on impossible, might be a case of the early bird gets the EV charger.
 

Maisie

Member
Environmental concerns
Would these lucky people be able to "lock up" their charger to prevent "unauthorised" users? If not, their leccy bills are going to be quite high.

Maisie
 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Environmental concerns
Would these lucky people be able to "lock up" their charger to prevent "unauthorised" users? If not, their leccy bills are going to be quite high.

Maisie
They use Rfid cards or are code locked Maisie, more chance of the charging cables being stolen and weighed in
 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Environmental concerns
There are also lamp posts with 2 chargers for people who cannot charge at home.

Each 1 hour charge should get you to the next lamppost, the article claims 20 miles on 1 hour @ 5.5 Kw, the real life tests don't achieve anywhere near that, nor do they say how many of these chargers they can "technically" install in a typical road, I would doubt many.
 

enoch

Member
Environmental concerns

Each 1 hour charge should get you to the next lamppost, the article claims 20 miles on 1 hour @ 5.5 Kw, the real life tests don't achieve anywhere near that, nor do they say how many of these chargers they can "technically" install in a typical road, I would doubt many.
My son has a kia with charge fitted to the house. He was saying if they stop on route 45 minutes to charge up is that a different charge than standard?
 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Environmental concerns
My son has a kia with charge fitted to the house. He was saying if they stop on route 45 minutes to charge up is that a different charge than standard?
Depends on the car and the maximum charge rate it will accept, domestic chargers tend to be 7.4 Kw, charging stations off much jigher charge rates, if your home has a 3 phase supply then you can get an 11 Kw charger or some cars have an inbuilt 22 Kw charger, you just need a 3 phase socket on your house
 

Maisie

Member
Environmental concerns
Lampposts? We only have three in this road. One of which is on the double yellow lines side and on the very edge of a private dropped kerb. So any two parking there to charge should, technically, get a ticket, either for parking on the yellow lines or causing an obstruction to an access/egress point for the resident.

I still reckon that this whole plan is not workable.

Maisie
 

Camden

Member
Environmental concerns
View attachment 21977


Didn't know if to put this on "idiots of the week"

Brazilian death trap sold to the highest bidder....

An aircraft carrier Sao Paulo once owned by the French but later sold to Brazil .... has now been taken out of service due to age ...and now redundant it was auctioned for scrap by the Brazilians .....against the wishes of a signed agreement with the old French owners on purchasing it to the Brazilians . In that agreement the Ship on scrapping was to be done as laid out in the contract “The ship was to be disassembled in EU approved recycling facilities, in a safe and environmentally friendly way”. As the AIrcraft Carrier Contains in its structure 600 tons of Asbestos a Hazardous Material needing specialist extraction .... The Brazilians instead auctioned it for scrap value in an open to all Scrap Market ...

It was bought for 10,550,000.00 Brazilian Real (13 million 870,748.06 Turkish Liras). Turkish shipyard SÖK Denizcilik to be dismantled in Aliağa Shipyard Izmir Turkey ... Asbestos handling is a tricky issue and their is no capacity to dismantle it safely in Turkey whose health and safety standard for workers isn't high with profit before lifes....

Professor Asli Odman said: "The Turkish constitution guarantees citizens the right to live in a safe environment, free from toxic exposures. Civil society groups are gearing up to ensure that every possible protection is afforded to those who work on the dismantling of the ship, to other workers in the recycling yard as well as to local people. We will face up to the challenge posed by the ship’s arrival in Turkey, organize alongside environmental, labour and health activists and do our utmost to ensure that the government and shipyard authorities honor their obligations to the people .”

Opposition Parties are asking will this asbestos contaminated aircraft carrier not cause a public health and environmental disaster in its dismantling to both workers and people living in the local area.

On demolition the cancerous asbestos dust could easily be carried to every part of the city Izmir on the wind.


THE SALE TENDER OF THE WASTE SHIP CAN BE CANCELED (asbestos radioactive, heavy metals and dioxin contaminated) may be cancelled.

International non-governmental organizations took action regarding the sale and dismantling of the Brazilian nuclear warship Nae Sao Paulo,in Turkey which attracted the attention of the world public opinion.

NGOs wrote a warning letter to the Minister of Environment and Urbanization, Murat Kurum. In the letter, which was also sent to the relevant ministries in Brazil and France and to the European Union officials, emphasized that the sale tender of the waste ship should be cancelled.

The nuclear warship Nae Sao Paulo, which was tendered for by Sök Denizcilik AŞ on 12 March 2021 was planned to be brought to İzmir Aliağa Shipbreaking Zone, is still in Rio Brazil. A solidarity network was formed among international non-governmental organizations against the disposal of the ship loaded with dangerous harmful chemicals, especially radioactive, heavy metals and dioxin.

 

TLF Admin

Administrator
Environmental concerns
I have bought an MG ZS EV electric car, price was pretty good for an Electric. And the tax incentives helped further.

The range is only about 140miles on a full charge but as I only travel locally most of the time, it suits me, one charge can usually last me about 2 weeks.

I'm very happy with it so far.

MG is now a Chinese brand, and I don't expect it to last long as my previous German built cars, but I wanted to move to Electric now but didn't want to pay premium prices.

I will probably change it after 2/3 years for something else once the technology and infrastructure has improved.

 

Maisie

Member
Environmental concerns
So how will you recharge when necessary? Do you have your own charging point, or will you have to leave your car out of sight somewhere?

Is it the case that once charged, the vehicle will retain the charge over a long period, i.e. for two weeks?

Maisie
 

IbrahimAbi

Grey wisdom
Environmental concerns
I have bought an MG ZS EV electric car, price was pretty good for an Electric. And the tax incentives helped further.

The range is only about 140miles on a full charge but as I only travel locally most of the time, it suits me, one charge can usually last me about 2 weeks.

I'm very happy with it so far.

MG is now a Chinese brand, and I don't expect it to last long as my previous German built cars, but I wanted to move to Electric now but didn't want to pay premium prices.

I will probably change it after 2/3 years for something else once the technology and infrastructure has improved.

Congratulations, let us know how it goes.
 

Akasya

Postless Pointer
Environmental concerns
So how will you recharge when necessary? Do you have your own charging point, or will you have to leave your car out of sight somewhere?

Is it the case that once charged, the vehicle will retain the charge over a long period, i.e. for two weeks?

Maisie
Maisie , currently electric car batteries are made from banks of li ion batteries similar to phone or laptop cells . They are time consuming to build and even more difficult to dissemble , currently it cost more to break them down than they are worth , currently there is not enough info regarding dwell time charge levels .
Steve
 

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