Leo

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Correction.

Hi to my fellow owners at all Mecitoglu complexes,

I have today (19th Sept) spoken directly with Mehmet Micitoglu, who has read my original comments - after this was brought to his attention by one of the fellow owners.

He has explained the reasons for sacking Ali, and I am satisfied with the explanation - notably, that Ali was warned about several things, several times before he was sacked. I therefore withdraw & remove my ealier comments.

I do hope that we are all able to speak to each other and resolve any concerns that might arise, quickly and to everyones satisfaction in the future.

I look forward to a continued excellent relationship in the future.

Leo.
 
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Hi Leo,

I didn't realise the Mecitoglu was like that.

I don't know Ali personally as i have only recently invested, however being sacked for being curtious? - whats the world coming to?

Mecitoglu has always had good feedback on this forum and thats what persuaded me to invest there.

If this is true it seems as though their sucess has gotten to their heads.
Having someone like Ali doing the nice things you have described is a credit to the company and its the small things like that, what sets a good company apart from the others.
 

Leo

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Hi Leo,

I didn't realise the Mecitoglu was like that.

I don't know Ali personally as i have only recently invested, however being sacked for being curtious? - whats the world coming to?

Mecitoglu has always had good feedback on this forum and thats what persuaded me to invest there.

If this is true it seems as though their sucess has gotten to their heads.
Having someone like Ali doing the nice things you have described is a credit to the company and its the small things like that, what sets a good company apart from the others.

Hi 'TS1' - I agree, I have consistently been one of Mecitoglu's supporters (good quality, good service and do what they say etc) - I am baffled, if not more than a little peed-off with them for this!

Ali was so helpful, especially with my elderley and very infirm mother (and her 2 mates) who go out to our apartment for a few weeks - a couple of times a year.

He even helpfully sorted things out when I rang him recently at 4am - as Mecitoglu's driver had gone to the wrong terminal to pick us up at Antalya airport. It is usual in the UK to acknowledge and at times reward such extra help with the odd gift - we certainly don't sack people and throw their family out on the street!

God, what is the world coming too
 
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Disgusting treatment of someone who obviously cared about the people on the development. I hope Ali gets another job soon, as being sacked is bad enough, but to get thrown out of his house is even worse.

I looked at a couple of Mecitoglu's developments - glad I didn't buy when they treat their employees in such a way.


Sue
 

yalimart

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have you actually asked the reasons why this guy was sacked ? and how long had he worked there.
running a service company where employees are offering those services for little gifts during your time is pretty sackable !
years ago I was a BT engineer and for instance if I agreed to move a telephone socket for a customer in or out of working hours, I knew that the sack was the result if I got caught doing it.
There was a post about the integrity of the forum last week and one of the gripes was about people making statements without the facts, and to say "I understand" doesnt sound like "I asked his manager and he said"
heres hoping he wasnt sacked unfairly !

martin
 

Leo

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have you actually asked the reasons why this guy was sacked ? and how long had he worked there.
running a service company where employees are offering those services for little gifts during your time is pretty sackable !
years ago I was a BT engineer and for instance if I agreed to move a telephone socket for a customer in or out of working hours, I knew that the sack was the result if I got caught doing it.
There was a post about the integrity of the forum last week and one of the gripes was about people making statements without the facts, and to say "I understand" doesnt sound like "I asked his manager and he said"
heres hoping he wasnt sacked unfairly !

martin

Hi Martin,

Sorry to go on about this at the risk of boring others, but yes - my family are there at the moment and have asked. Whilst the company rep was limited in their response, they did confirm as I have reported - hense 'I understand'

I need to be clear that this was not a chap doing things on the side as a little earner (clearly that would have been different) and my concern is that it just isn't fair - and we all know how the TFL crew rightly take a pride in fairness!

My hope is that enough Owners on the various Mecitoglu sites would make enough fuss for the company (who like many, monitor this site) to at least reconsider thier actions.
 

Peregrine

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have you actually asked the reasons why this guy was sacked ? and how long had he worked there.
running a service company where employees are offering those services for little gifts during your time is pretty sackable !
years ago I was a BT engineer and for instance if I agreed to move a telephone socket for a customer in or out of working hours, I knew that the sack was the result if I got caught doing it.
There was a post about the integrity of the forum last week and one of the gripes was about people making statements without the facts, and to say "I understand" doesnt sound like "I asked his manager and he said"
heres hoping he wasnt sacked unfairly !

martin

Martin

I think youre right. If ali was paid out of the income he was supposed to generate but was doing "little jobs" on the side for "the odd gift" then he wasnt earing his wages.

Theres probably more to this than meets the eye
 

immac

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My hope is that enough Owners on the various Mecitoglu sites would make enough fuss for the company (who like many, monitor this site) to at least reconsider thier actions.

You seem to be embarking on a crusade for someone you hardly know. You clearly don't know all the facts and are filling in the gaps of your knowledge to make it fit. Now you want others to set themselves against the management. Have you even asked Ali if he wants this, I doubt it.

My advice is - drop it. Do you expect managers to lose face and backtrack publicly? This is very 'little England'. If the man has good qualities the managers will re-employ him in their own time - that is how it works; if you force the issue, they will never take him back.

Your house sits in Turkey, not England, and you have to go with the flow and not look for confrontation: you can get enough of that without looking for it.

Ian
 

yalimart

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Hi Martin,

Sorry to go on about this at the risk of boring others, but yes - my family are there at the moment and have asked. Whilst the company rep was limited in their response, they did confirm as I have reported - hense 'I understand'

I need to be clear that this was not a chap doing things on the side as a little earner (clearly that would have been different) and my concern is that it just isn't fair - and we all know how the TFL crew rightly take a pride in fairness!

My hope is that enough Owners on the various Mecitoglu sites would make enough fuss for the company (who like many, monitor this site) to at least reconsider thier actions.

Hi Leo

I can fully understand how you feel about this, but by your own words, you dont know the facts. The company rep may just be softening the reasons for sacking this guy,
I would take the advice of the others and avoid interfering as you need these people on your side and not against you
you didnt say how long the guy was there, we seem to lose staff after about 8 months for various reasons,
do employers have to take more responsibillity after a certain length of time ? I am not sure but i am sure someone will know.

martin
 

lemmy

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leo

i am surprised at the reactions you have got to your point here.iI personally have absolutely no knowledge of the situation but from what you have said it does not sound like this individual has been treated fairly. those who say that you should keep you head down and pretend it has not happened i do not agree with that at all. if anyone is in a position where they are in fear of opposing the management there is something far wrong with the management. i have been a manager for over 20 years and my job has been made so much easier by listening to what people think and acting - even it does mean making a U-turn when a wrong decision is shown to have been made. it is about being adult enough to face up to things. look at the mess the UK is in because of people not listening to what people think!!!!!
i am not saying that this man should get his job back as i dont know the facts but he should be treated fairly and if you feel that he has not been treated fairly then your are 100% correct in flagging it up to others.
 

immac

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Lemmy, you have not read his post. He is calling for reinstatement.

Let me give you a hypothetical: you, as a UK Manager sack someone for moonlighting while they are supposed to be working exclusively for you and your company. A public petition is arranged by the people he was moonlighting for (on your time) to get him reinstated. How would you react?

Ian
 

lemmy

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with the greatest respect - i have read the post. as i mentioned have been a manager for many years and if i had an employee who did a little extra to support my customers then i would promote them not sack them!!!! it would only be moonlighting if the person was doing the extra jobs for an agreed remuneration. if they are doing that bit extra and are then rewarded for that effort - i would not consider that moonlighting. it all comes down to perception and as pointed out by Leo - corporate greed.
 

Guz1

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As owners, they all have a vested interest in how the site is run and are entitled to express their displeasure when an employee they know and trust is summarily dismissed. They are also entitled to ascertain whether the replacement will be as good or better.

Nobody apart from the employer and employee knows the full facts but that doesn't mean that owners aren't entitled to more information and to express their displeasure at his dismissal. They are entitled to ask whether the man was warned that he was moonlighting. Were the residents informed that the extra services he provided were in breach of his employment contract? Has he been sacked because he wasn't a jobsworth or because his acts of kindness have shown the employer a new way to make money out of the residents? Evidently, the man contributed to the feel-good factor on the site which was to the developer's advantage. Shouldn't that count for something? I wouldn't be so quick to accuse the man of moonlighting because he got a few gifts or tips in appreciation of his good deeds.

Leo: Those who warn you against getting on the wrong side of the Management are right, however, that can work two ways......it can't be in the Management's best interests to get on the wrong side of the owners.
 
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Whats the point of owning a place of your own on a complex if the managemant company has such a hold over the development but seemingly does not act on the owners best interests?

whats the point in having a management company if you dont allow them to manage ?

martin
 

immac

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Guz1, as soon as you start talking about employment contracts and warnings, it just demonstrates a lack of understanding about how things work in Turkey. I have never met a low level worker in this type of job that has a contract or even a job description. Minimum wage workers just work.

Initiative, as you describe, Lemmy, is not the Turkish way: it will be treated with suspicion, not welcomed. Again, this is a cultural difference you will have to take onboard and not bridle at every injustice. Staff at this level rotate at a fairly brisk rate through jobs in bars and tourist spots, so just make the most of what you get while you are getting it. If you take up the cause of every bar boy who changes jobs because of a bad boss, you will not get much fun out of your investment.

This is Turkey!

Ian
 

Guz1

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Immac is right - I don't know how things work in Turkey.

Leo: It looks like you won't get anywhere with this. Just bear it in mind when dealing with this company. If they have been less than honourable in their dealings with their employee just because they can get away with it, there's nothing to suggest that their dealings with you will be any better if they can get away with it.
 
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madeline

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hi leo
we are here at the minute and we were devastated to see ali and his wife and kids leaving in a pick up truck with all their belongings.
our kids were crying as Ali and his wife have always been so lovely to us and we have always left their family any sweets, coke crisps etc. and my hubby always tipped all the complex workers just as he tipped the waiters at bistro 2000 and umit restaurant. Why not ?

Looking at the other posts maybe theres other reasons that we don't about but we'll miss his friendly face next time we come over

maddie
 
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lemmy

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with regard to the turkish way and cultural differences, i fully understand the points made. as mentioned in the above posts we will never know the full story.
leo it is clear that nothing is going to be done about your perceived injustice and while there is no management committee in place your have no where to take your concerns apart from to the builder. it might be in the best interest of owners at four seasons to push for the early set up of a management committee so that some of the owners can have a say in the running of things otherwise if this has been unfair then there is nothing to stop this from happening again
good luck.
 

yalimart

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To manage the complex in the best interests of the owners and not their own interets perhaps?

I thought the whole idea of having a complex management is for the owners to agree by majority how their individual complex is run and not to line the pockets of the 'management company'.

you pay a company to manage your site, if you want to manage their employees sack the management company and manage them your self

martin
 

immac

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Crashtester, the purpose of a company is to make as much money for it's shareholders as it can. At the point they complete their interests in the site and hand it over to the owners the balance then swings to the benefit of the owners as the current owners relinquish their interest. This is how business works all over the world.

At that point the owners can decide if they will employ someone who works solely for them or does jobs on the side in their time. If they employed someone on that basis they would be crazy.

Ian
 
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