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What price are biomass woodchips these days ?
 

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For any readers not au fait with TUV one of their counci candidate said in an ideal world homosexuality would again be a criminal offence and that only white refugees should be considered for entry to Belfast

I dearly wish I was joking

To get an idea of their position on political spectrum imagine to the right of the Taliban
 
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Classic unionism ( Belfast and Edinburgh versions are cut from the same cloth) and their take on democracy displayed today.

There are elections due in Belfast next year.

Setting aside manufactured grievances over protocol etc and concentrating just on pure numbers gives a fascinating insight unionist belief in democracy

Whilst polls are only a snapshot in time and can be wildly inaccurate current polling states SF could get First Minister post in next election

So what I hear you cry that's what elections bring winners losers

But today the DUP stated if SF got the top post the DUP would not take part in the political process!!!!

Imagine in England if johnson or Starmer said if we do not get PM we are basically not taking part in political process!!!!

Democracy eh, if you're not top dog lift the ball and go home!!
 

mollag

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What you reckon Philip, worth a look ? On tonight.

Patrick Kielty: One Hundred Years of Union​

9pm, BBC One​

Having lost his father to the Troubles, Kielty knows better than most that turbulence around the border between Ireland and mainland Britain has potentially awful consequences. Here, he investigates the Brexit-imposed trade border in the Irish Sea and talks to loyalists involved in unrest.
 

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Hes certainly suffered a lot of tragedy and handled it better than I ever could.

Donated money behind the scenes to both communities for projects including trying to get kids mixing more

He has his own opinions like all of us and certainly hes entitled at this time to reflect on where he thinks things are going
 

mollag

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Hes certainly suffered a lot of tragedy and handled it better than I ever could.

Donated money behind the scenes to both communities for projects including trying to get kids mixing more

He has his own opinions like all of us and certainly hes entitled at this time to reflect on where he thinks things are going
We have Keilty's within our family, Paisley Rc's. would he be similar ?
 

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Kielty would indeed be a Catholic

His programme of course is specific to the unionist community as it is they who are " upset" by the repercussions of the Brexit they wanted- still an interesting insight for those in Britain
 

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Very interesting article Sleepy especially as we know the author is no admirer of Republicans

Next years election for which the campaign is already actually underway will be a watershed moment if and it's a massive if- unionist dominance is finally broken

Its woeful watching and listening to them now genuinely uncertain what they would do if no longer top dog

Democracy is great craic!
 

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To take her piece a wee bit further its absolutely fascinating watching blueshirts and their FF side kicks squirming currently re the border poll

They are sh1tting themselves re Mary Lou tightening the screw ( will FF even survive until end of this Dail term!!!) and know if the polls in the 26 ( and I dont trust polls) are anywhere near correct they will have to end up trying to out green SF !!!!!
 

mollag

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Kielty would indeed be a Catholic

His programme of course is specific to the unionist community as it is they who are " upset" by the repercussions of the Brexit they wanted- still an interesting insight for those in Britain
Just finished Kielty's programme, a fair and balanced production i thought, well done lad. (y)
 

Hilsjw

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Here's some good news for the Northern Irish people. Heard on the news this morning. All over 18's are to be given £100. to spend in the shops. Must be spent by the end of November. Nice one !!
 

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As this is now policy for upcoming election for 1 of the 3 unionist parties and being positively considered by a second meaning it will be the policy of 3/4 of unionism I thought it timely to highlight it again

Unionists have been top dogs in the North of Ireland since partition to allow the weighted majority statelet formation 100 years ago

Through the past century we have had to first campaign to get non Unionists to be allowed a vote, then each person to be allowed 1 vote right through until the present

We now have- due to a change in attitudes and substantial shift in demographics- a chance that at the next Assembly election for the 1st time ever unionists will not have top position

Their response- if we dont win the election and get top post we will crash the entire system !!!

I seriously ask you in England- regardless of your political persuasion to consider a situation whereby Labour or Tory would ever say to the electorate- we will stand for election but unless we win we will withdraw from the political arena

I highlight this outrageous position to underline what progressives of every non unionist political hue in Belfast have to put up with and paradoxically why the unionist dominance is under threat.

Frankly unionism and democracy are complete strangers to each other
 

mollag

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I think the options of an Irish Border or Irish unification are the preferred options of this present UK Government, all that is needed is a handy scapegoat for the voting plebs,--- that nasty EU will do nicely.
Frost seems to be getting round to his point how – in brief, that the Northern Ireland protocol his government sought, signed up to and then trumpeted loudly, is so hated and unworkable, it would be imprudent of the EU to try to enforce it.

The Northern Ireland protocol is the biggest source of mistrust between us and, for all kinds of reasons, we need to fix this problem.
I recognise that’s not easy. The history here does matter. I do understand why the EU finds it difficult to come back to an agreement that was reached only two years ago, though that itself is far from unusual in international relations.
Equally, there’s a widespread feeling in the UK that the EU did try to use Northern Ireland to encourage UK political forces to reverse the referendum results or, at least, to keep us closely aligned with the EU.
Moreover, that the protocol represents a moment of EU overreach when the UK’s negotiating hand was tied. And, therefore, cannot reasonably last in its current form.
Whether or not you agree with either of those analyses, the facts on the ground are what matter above all.
Maybe there was a world in which the protocol could have worked, more sensitively implemented. But the world has now moved on and we now face a very serious situation. The protocol is not working. It’s completely lost consent in one community in Northern Ireland, it’s not doing the thing, it was set up to do: protect the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.
In fact, doing the opposite. It has to change.
No one here is expert in Northern Ireland and we’re not asking you to be. We’re asking you, the EU, to work with us to help us manage the delicate balance in the Belfast Agreement – and not to disrupt it; to help us reflect the concerns of everyone in Northern Ireland, from all sides of the political spectrum, and to make sure the peace process is not undermined.
The key feature of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement is balance between different communities and between their links with the rest of the UK and with the Republic of Ireland. That balance has been shredded by the way this protocol is working.
The fundamental difficulty is that we’re being asked to run a full-scale external boundary of the EU through the centre of our country, to apply EU law without consent in one part of it and to have any disputes arising from these arrangements settled ultimately in the call to one of the parties.
The way this is happening is disrupting ordinary lives, damaging large or small businesses and causing serious turbulence, to the institutions within Northern Ireland.
 

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