Tenpin

The Yorkshireman
Children given gun licences
For the life of me I cannot see why kids under 18 are given gun licences.

I agree and that really needs to change given this statement in the article:
"The fact that children can be licensees is a ridiculous anomaly, given that children could never be legally responsible in their own right for the safety and security of the weapon".
 

IbrahimAbi

Grey wisdom
Children given gun licences
This is a bit circular - Hole-in-my-bucket type of discussion - no point having a gun if you can't get ammunition!

Ian
Disagree entirely. If the kids can't buy ammo, then the parents can control the usage. A bit like internet packages on mobile phones. No package for kids, usage at home through family dongle. When data is used up that's it for the month.
 

Maisie

Member
Children given gun licences
I wonder what reasons are given by a child for wanting a gun licence? Whatever reasons are given, I expect the parents are in agreement. Probably dad.

Do they (the children) have to show the authorities the locked gun cabinet, bolted to an inside wall, that is necessary for a licence? Also, the "rules" say that only the "licence owner" must have the key to this cabinet, and others (non-licenced) are not party to where the key is kept. Or do they use dad's cabinet? Then at least two people know where the key is kept.

This is madness. When Dave died, I had to apply for a temporary shotgun licence to dispose of his gun, and I was told that - technically - I should not know where the key was! So - technically - how was I supposed to open the cabinet to get the gun? Arrange for the police to trash it?

Whilst this story is probably biased sensational reporting, I would still like to know why the law allows children to have a gun. However, many reasons spring to mind: a farmer's child, or similar; the child belongs to a gun club, probably with a licenced parent; or because they can!

We are told periodically by the media that gun crimes are on the increase in the UK. This licence-issuing would only seem to be exacerbating the problem. I would like to know the figures for gun crimes in Lancashire as they seem to have a gung-ho attitude to the granting of licences.

Or is it me?

Maisie
 

Kanga

Member
Children given gun licences
We live out in the sticks and most farmers have a licensed shotgun for vermin. They teach their children responsible use of them and I dont know anyone who lets their child wander around the farm with a gun. They have to be locked in a suitable cabinet and the police do regularly check them out, we have had inspections ourselves.

Incidentally, a firearm is not the same as a shotgun.

We have a friend living in a village a few miles away who is suffering badly with a neighbour who has shot from his garden into their land, live shot, while they are in the field, as part of an ongoing dispute. They had to call the police, who confiscated the gun and it is doubtful he will get his licence renewed. Part of having a licence is having land to shoot on, either your own, or written permission from a landowner, and without that you wont get a licence.
This idiot is a senior consultant in the NHS by the way.
 

immac

Senior Member Has-Been
Children given gun licences
None of this will have the least impact upon illegal firearms. Even when I was a shooter (before Dunblane) , if you were so inclined you could buy illegals brought over from eastern Europe for less than you could buy the equivalent gun in UK legally.

My cousin, who is a lawyer in London specialising in criminal law, says his customers would not bother with knife crime - they all have firearms. And they don't have licences or land to shoot over!

Ian
 

IbrahimAbi

Grey wisdom
Children given gun licences
None of this will have the least impact upon illegal firearms. Even when I was a shooter (before Dunblane) , if you were so inclined you could buy illegals brought over from eastern Europe for less than you could buy the equivalent gun in UK legally.

My cousin, who is a lawyer in London specialising in criminal law, says his customers would not bother with knife crime - they all have firearms. And they don't have licences or land to shoot over!

Ian
I wonder why we have laws about selling cigarettes and alcohol to children, or drink driving. People are going to do it anyway, so why bother with a law?
 

Chasey

Member
Children given gun licences
Sorry but you lot are getting overexcited about sod all

I was shooting in competition aged 13

so what?
 

Kanga

Member
Children given gun licences
So nothing. . . this is the usual midsummer madness from journos with not enough to write about.
 

enoch

Member
Children given gun licences
I think one of the most important things that has not been written is how many years has the law been in effect, instead of just making a headline.
 

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