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We've seen what happens when a natıon chooses ısolatıon - ıt doesn't end well eıther for that nation or for ıt's cıtızens.

If leaders have the best ınterests of their country at heart they should learn to be team players - some are, some aren't.
So what are you saying, an elected member states leader should put the EU before his/her own Nation?
 
Brexit going forward
What part of #387 did you not understand and how has isolation been of benefit to the UK?
It was a simple question but as per, you want to complicate it.
AGAIN, what should come first to a member states elected leader, their Nation or the EU?
 

Jaycey

African Refugee
Brexit going forward
It was a simple question but as per, you want to complicate it.
AGAIN, what should come first to a member states elected leader, their Nation or the EU?

You didn't understand my post, lets try again ... Ex Unitate Vires!!

But again you answer a question with a question :)
 
Brexit going forward
You didn't understand my post, lets try again ... Ex Unitate Vires!!

But again you answer a question with a question :)
AGAIN it was a simple question that you want to make into something else.
My take is, an elected member state leader must put his own Nation first.
 

Jaycey

African Refugee
Brexit going forward
AGAIN it was a simple question that you want to make into something else.
My take is, an elected member state leader must put his own Nation first.
And I gave you a simple reply that you didn't understand - is English really your first language?
Pointless attempting a simple debate with you so I'll leave you to play by yourself, sorry.
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Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
So what are you saying, an elected member states leader should put the EU before his/her own Nation?


Yes you slowly getting it arnt you

You look at Europe as a whole and decide what's best for Europe

Who knows it might catch on and we could stop being selfish arseholes and pressing for personal enrichment for ourselves, our families and our tribes and ACTUALLY start thinking about what's best on a planetary level.

this is the hardest thing for little Englanders (Inset country here) to understand they think they can build a wall around England (insert country here) and let the rest of the world burn and they will be all right jack.

Its caveman-level intelligence and it will bring us low.

It works a bit like this: The extremely wealthy Germany pores in billions of Euro of aid to poorer EU countries, the wealth there improves and those people start buying German goods. so the cycle is complete.

So the German government outraged the German people by becoming the bank and arbitrator for the Euro when in fact, by helping poorer regions it massively supported Germany.

HIS is critical thinking, THIS is looking at the big picture and making sensible decisions and THAT is what the EU was designed to do in the same way as the Federal Govt does in the USA

 

Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
I'm not on about MEPs or the Commission, I'm on about member states elected leaders.
What should come first to them, the EU or their own country?


FFS the heads of state sit in the European Council not the EU commission

The European Council is the buck stops here of the EU it is the Supreme Council
 
Brexit going forward
FFS the heads of state sit in the European Council not the EU commission

The European Council is the buck stops here of the EU it is the Supreme Council
It was a simple question, should an elected EU member state leader put his country first and foremost BEFORE the EU?
An example:
The EUs procurement of the Covid vaccine, where the EU President made it quite clear, they were the only negotiators to do the negotiations......NOT individual Governments. What happened? Hungary went ahead and did its own deal.


I don’t need a rundown on how the EU operates, I’m well aware of that.
 

Camden

Member
Brexit going forward

Brits across EU slide into Brexit banking limbo as Barclays, Lloyd’s and Halifax shut their accounts​

Thousands of Brits residing in the EU have been informed by UK banks that their EU-based bank accounts will soon be shut.

A range of British banks, including Barclays, Halifax, and Lloyd’s, has told UK citizens living in the EU that they will no longer be able to have and use their accounts in member states, primarily in Spain, France and Germany.

They have been told they can only keep their UK bank accounts if their permanent address is in the UK, so if they are deemed living permanently in Britain, according to the international news site Expat.

Following the end of the transition period, which ended in December 2020, British banks who wish to continue operating legally across the bloc, special legal permissions are required for each EU market individually.

As a result, many British banks have come to the conclusion this exercise is too costly and requires too much paperwork for a relatively modest amount of customers.

Therefore most UK banks have decided to pull out of the EU consumer banking market altogether.

However, this puts tens of thousands of Brits across the bloc into an awkward position. Many retirees in Spain, who are permanently based there, receive their pensions and other income via their UK accounts.

Ctd..
 
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Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
It was a simple question, should an elected EU member state leader put his country first and foremost BEFORE the EU?
An example:
The EUs procurement of the Covid vaccine, where the EU President made it quite clear, they were the only negotiators to do the negotiations......NOT individual Governments. What happened? Hungary went ahead and did its own deal.


I don’t need a rundown on how the EU operates, I’m well aware of that.


Your question demonstrates a total lack of global economics then backs it up with a very bad example

It is in the best interests of getting re-elected that a leader puts his own country first (or frankly him / herself first)

It could, however, be in the best interests of his or her country to put the interests of the EU block first

The covid vaccine thing is done to death. The EU were not in a position to force any member state to adopt the EU vaccine program. Any member state could have dropped out if they chose. This is because they are Sovereign states with the power to opt out.

BUT was that in the best interests of the aforementioned country? For example, if the vaccine program had caused the UK to be well ahead of the curve in terms of recovery (It demonstrably was not) and the EU block lagged behind as a direct result of that action, the UK trade would suffer miserably as a result of the biggest trading partner we have being in lockdown.

As it was our early vaccine adoption made little or no discernable difference to anything.

Note there's not much reported on our decision to go it alone with the ventilator program which the EU did a LOT better than us with. So that one was a fail.
 

Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward

Brits across EU slide into Brexit banking limbo as Barclays, Lloyd’s and Halifax shut their accounts​

Thousands of Brits residing in the EU have been informed by UK banks that their EU-based bank accounts will soon be shut.

A range of British banks, including Barclays, Halifax, and Lloyd’s, has told UK citizens living in the EU that they will no longer be able to have and use their accounts in member states, primarily in Spain, France and Germany.

They have been told they can only keep their UK bank accounts if their permanent address is in the UK, so if they are deemed living permanently in Britain, according to the international news site Expat.

Following the end of the transition period, which ended in December 2020, British banks who wish to continue operating legally across the bloc, special legal permissions are required for each EU market individually.

As a result, many British banks have come to the conclusion this exercise is too costly and requires too much paperwork for a relatively modest amount of customers.

Therefore most UK banks have decided to pull out of the EU consumer banking market altogether.

However, this puts tens of thousands of Brits across the bloc into an awkward position. Many retirees in Spain, who are permanently based there, receive their pensions and other income via their UK accounts.

Ctd..


Yes this is definitely a disadvantage of Brexit but there are ways around it with things like the Wise Account which does not need proof of address.

The risk here (and its a big one) is ex-pats with no UK residence becoming ineligible for UK state pension. This has been discussed many times and it is a soft target for the govt saveing a considerable amount of money.

At the moment the govt pays your pension, you spend the money in the UK and a chunk of that money ends up back in the hands of the govt. If your not spending money in the UK the govt suffers.

Now you could quite reasonably argue its your money, you paid the NI for it an your entitled to do what the hell you like with it.

Yes IMHO true but there's a significant number of people who see expats living abroad as privileged and they are envious/jealous enough of their position to vote to cut them off. The govt saves money and loses the support of a group that is pretty unlikely to vote for them anyway so a win win.
 

Akasya

Postless Pointer
Brexit going forward
A great shame that many brit citizens living abroad were not permitted to vote , wonder why they were excluded .
Steve
 
Brexit going forward
Your question demonstrates a total lack of global economics then backs it up with a very bad example

It is in the best interests of getting re-elected that a leader puts his own country first (or frankly him / herself first)

It could, however, be in the best interests of his or her country to put the interests of the EU block first

The covid vaccine thing is done to death. The EU were not in a position to force any member state to adopt the EU vaccine program. Any member state could have dropped out if they chose. This is because they are Sovereign states with the power to opt out.

BUT was that in the best interests of the aforementioned country? For example, if the vaccine program had caused the UK to be well ahead of the curve in terms of recovery (It demonstrably was not) and the EU block lagged behind as a direct result of that action, the UK trade would suffer miserably as a result of the biggest trading partner we have being in lockdown.

As it was our early vaccine adoption made little or no discernable difference to anything.

Note there's not much reported on our decision to go it alone with the ventilator program which the EU did a LOT better than us with. So that one was a fail.
You’ve just skirted around my post.
The EU made it plain, they and they ALONE would negotiate for the vaccines. It wasn’t a case of what other countries could or couldn’t do, nor was it a case of Orbans re-election.
So was Orban right to put his country first?
 

enoch

Member
Top Poster Of Month
Brexit going forward

Brits across EU slide into Brexit banking limbo as Barclays, Lloyd’s and Halifax shut their accounts​

Thousands of Brits residing in the EU have been informed by UK banks that their EU-based bank accounts will soon be shut.

A range of British banks, including Barclays, Halifax, and Lloyd’s, has told UK citizens living in the EU that they will no longer be able to have and use their accounts in member states, primarily in Spain, France and Germany.

They have been told they can only keep their UK bank accounts if their permanent address is in the UK, so if they are deemed living permanently in Britain, according to the international news site Expat.

Following the end of the transition period, which ended in December 2020, British banks who wish to continue operating legally across the bloc, special legal permissions are required for each EU market individually.

As a result, many British banks have come to the conclusion this exercise is too costly and requires too much paperwork for a relatively modest amount of customers.

Therefore most UK banks have decided to pull out of the EU consumer banking market altogether.

However, this puts tens of thousands of Brits across the bloc into an awkward position. Many retirees in Spain, who are permanently based there, receive their pensions and other income via their UK accounts.

Ctd..
At moment you need an uk address for barclays bank to keep your account open.
 

Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
You’ve just skirted around my post.
The EU made it plain, they and they ALONE would negotiate for the vaccines. It wasn’t a case of what other countries could or couldn’t do, nor was it a case of Orbans re-election.
So was Orban right to put his country first?


Show me a link to the EU law that allowed them to enforce this on ANY country. The EU would have had to go through the parliamentary procedure and policy decisions of this type would require the unanimous support of all members to make into law.

As a result, the process was entirely voluntary and you're just talking rubbish
 

Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
Orbans re-election is a 100% totaly different subject

Orban is the elected leader of Hungary and a Pro EU candidate who was congratulated on his election by the heads of the EU?

Some argue the election was rigged, but then many argued Bidens election was rigged?

If solid proof arose that Orbans election was rigged the EU would no doubt suspend membership and impose sanctions. IN FACT, the EU had election monitors in place at the time of the election to ensure it was safe. The big controversy appears o be his legalizing of personal voting from outside your hometown and media manipulation.

Seeing as our own government told a pack of lies about Brexit to get in and were involved in media manipulation and dominance to do it, Id say lets not throw stones in glass houses


MOST of the worlds leaders would have congratulated him as did Boris Johnson

 
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