Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
Mmm so when is the EU Ambassador taking up residence in London then?

Maybe you can also tell us about what's going to happen in four years time.......


Well

1: My predictions made about Brexit in 2016 were 100% spot on so I am on a role

2: The way things are going id say in 4 years time rejoining the EU will be a vote winner :)

Anger builds among manufacturers as EU customers cancel orders due to Brexit red tape (msn.com)

Actually, I don't believe that to be true. In four years time, we will be making more and more alignment concessions with the EU in a desperate bid to recover our economy. It will be reunification by stealth as the people who voted for Brexit wont understand it or bother to research it. We will be becoming more and more subservient to the EU whilst paying lip service to some small sovereignty issues to prove to the gullible we are not doing what we are told.

It will be the equivalent of calling the bully a rude name in front of witnesses, but only after he's clearly out of earshot
 

immac

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Brexit going forward
This can't be right:
"Despite endless rumours that Nissan planned to close its Sunderland manufacturing plant, today its chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta instead raved over the opportunities provided by the Brexit trade agreement, celebrating its potential impact on the British car industry. Telling The Telegraph:

“Brexit for Nissan is a positive. We’ll take this opportunity to redefine the auto industry in the UK. In certain conditions, our competitiveness is improved. For some of the cases, it is at par. It depends on which car, but competitiveness is definitely improved in electric vehicles.”
He obviously is off message for the people who want Brexit to be a disaster. Somebody need to explain to Mr Gupta that he should be talking the country down.

Gupta also claimed the agreement would protect 75,000 jobs across Britain and Europe, and allow Nissan’s Sunderland plant to double its pre-Covid capacity to meet demand.

Ian
 

Camden

Member
Brexit going forward
This can't be right:
"Despite endless rumours that Nissan planned to close its Sunderland manufacturing plant, today its chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta instead raved over the opportunities provided by the Brexit trade agreement, celebrating its potential impact on the British car industry. Telling The Telegraph:


He obviously is off message for the people who want Brexit to be a disaster. Somebody need to explain to Mr Gupta that he should be talking the country down.

Gupta also claimed the agreement would protect 75,000 jobs across Britain and Europe, and allow Nissan’s Sunderland plant to double its pre-Covid capacity to meet demand.

Ian

That was said when Boris was pushing his "No Deal" Brexit
 

Camden

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Brexit going forward

If the Brexit deal is so good for the auto industry, then why did the Tory, Brexit backing, Monaco tax avoiding Ineos boss Sir Jim Ratcliffe decide to build his new cars in France instead of Wales ? Maybe not big enough to get the Tory Govt desperate to show Brexit was a good thing incentives... to Nissan maybe

So glad Nissans decision for the Country and securing workers jobs... now we just have to secure that the same Workers rights that they enjoyed and received whilst in the EU ... as according to this piece they may need defended




Peter Foster, Jim Pickard, Delphine Strauss in London and Jim Brunsden in Brussels JANUARY 14 2021.. sorry but paywall

UK workers’ rights at risk in plans to rip up EU labour market rules​

Post-Brexit shake-up of regulations including 48-hour week likely to spark trade union outrage

Worker protections enshrined in EU law — including the 48-hour week — would be ripped up under plans being drawn up by the government as part of a post-Brexit overhaul of UK labour markets. The package of deregulatory measures is being put together by the UK’s business department with the approval of Downing Street, according to people familiar with the matter. It has not yet been agreed by ministers — or put to the cabinet — but select business leaders have been sounded out on the plan.

The proposed shake-up of regulations from the “working time directive” will delight many Tory MPs but is likely to spark outrage among Britain’s trade union leaders. The move would potentially mark a clear divergence from EU labour market standards but the UK would only face retaliation from Brussels under the terms of its new post-Brexit trade treaty if the EU could demonstrate the changes had a material impact on competition. The main areas of focus are on ending the 48-hour working week, tweaking the rules around rest breaks at work and not including overtime pay when calculating some holiday pay entitlements, said people familiar with the plans. The government also wants to remove the requirement of businesses to log the detailed, daily reporting of working hours, saving an estimated £1bn.

 
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35pluschips

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This can't be right:
"Despite endless rumours that Nissan planned to close its Sunderland manufacturing plant, today its chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta instead raved over the opportunities provided by the Brexit trade agreement, celebrating its potential impact on the British car industry. Telling The Telegraph:


He obviously is off message for the people who want Brexit to be a disaster. Somebody need to explain to Mr Gupta that he should be talking the country down.

Gupta also claimed the agreement would protect 75,000 jobs across Britain and Europe, and allow Nissan’s Sunderland plant to double its pre-Covid capacity to meet demand.

Ian
How very dare you report good news over Brexit, it’s not on......take a 30 seconds ban.
I see our resident Labour activist has to pop up with his usual negatives lol
 

Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
The level of ignorance on this issue is breathtaking

We signed a free trade deal on cars and auto parts with the EU as part of our "Brexit (but not really)" deal where we do what we are told by the EU or they slap instant tariffs on us.

SO the threat to the car industry was for the most part avoided. This is in addition to the staggering tax breaks we had to give Nissan at the taxpayers expense, to not shut the plant down.

The tax breaks will make up for the new cost of red tape and logistical problems with JIT ordering

“There is no other industry that is more closely integrated than the European automotive industry, with complex supply chains stretching right across the region,” said ACEA head Eric-Mark Huitema.

But the ACEA noted that it could not make a full assessment of the deal until the full agreement was revealed, and noted that the agreement would introduce "even more red tape and regulatory burden" for the industry.

Huitema added: "Major challenges still lie ahead, as trade in goods will be heavily impacted by barriers to trade in the form of new customs procedures that will be introduced on 1 January 2021.”
 

Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
This can't be right:
"Despite endless rumours that Nissan planned to close its Sunderland manufacturing plant, today its chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta instead raved over the opportunities provided by the Brexit trade agreement, celebrating its potential impact on the British car industry. Telling The Telegraph:


He obviously is off message for the people who want Brexit to be a disaster. Somebody need to explain to Mr Gupta that he should be talking the country down.

Gupta also claimed the agreement would protect 75,000 jobs across Britain and Europe, and allow Nissan’s Sunderland plant to double its pre-Covid capacity to meet demand.

Ian

So disaster for the most part avoided with the shortfall paid off with taxpayers money in the form of incentives to Nissan to stay.

BUT where is the bonus? Where is the improvement? Where is the justification for the billions wasted on Brexit and the socio-economic damage caused?

Brexit supporters seem willing to make themselves look completely deranged but getting all excited about things be, almost as good as before Brexit????? Whist of course avoiding the obvious and numerous disasters.

Whoopee do
 

Jaycey

African Refugee
Brexit going forward
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"The main lines of the Brexiter rebuttal of responsibility for the policy they urged are clear enough. Adverse effects will be denied or downplayed; admitted but with a denial that Brexit was the cause; admitted but blamed on the EU for acting unreasonably; or admitted but blamed on Brexit not having been done properly, with this in turn blamed upon ‘the remain establishment’. What can be assured is that they will never take responsibility. It will be important to continue to challenge this, and it continues to be disappointing that the Labour Party is not taking the lead in doing so. That is a great error, as former Labour MEP Richard Corbett has cogently argued this week.

...From this point of view the provisions of government compensation and support, which have been offered in the case of fisheries and are being considered for the music industry (£), are palliative rather than curative. And where does it end? Compensating all businesses for all the costs of Brexit would involve huge sums, especially coming on top of the government support rightly and necessarily being provided because of coronavirus. It’s ironic, too, that after all the promises, including that of extra money for the NHS, Brexit should now be revealed as something requiring compensation..."
 

35pluschips

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Brexit going forward
So disaster for the most part avoided with the shortfall paid off with taxpayers money in the form of incentives to Nissan to stay.

BUT where is the bonus? Where is the improvement? Where is the justification for the billions wasted on Brexit and the socio-economic damage caused?

Brexit supporters seem willing to make themselves look completely deranged but getting all excited about things be, almost as good as before Brexit????? Whist of course avoiding the obvious and numerous disasters.

Whoopee do
Where are the 20 mile tailbacks at Dover that we were promised, the tailbacks that some remain voters were rubbing their hands about?
 

Chasey

Member
Brexit going forward
Where are the 20 mile tailbacks at Dover that we were promised, the tailbacks that some remain voters were rubbing their hands about?

No your quite right

OK due to 1000s of businesses restricting trade to the EU due to documentation and low trade and travel due to covid 19 the number of transiting lorries & cars is about 70% lower than normal but do not be concerned because the government has spent 840million of taxpayers money building 10 buffer lorry parks and a dedicated Covid test center at Dover to ease the pain with dozens more planned across the country at other transit points

SO with an investment of around 1.6 billion pounds of taxpayers money, we should, hopefully, minimize the gridlock otherwise predicted in Kent

Ok to the delays at these customers clearance lorry parks are making the transit of perishable food a major problem and just in time ordering is expecting delays which will require greater stock holding which in turn means business investment in storage and logistics which needs to be passed on to the end-user or subsidized with Taxpayers money

But aside from that

Nooooo problems at all.
 

Camden

Member
Brexit going forward
Where are the 20 mile tailbacks at Dover that we were promised, the tailbacks that some remain voters were rubbing their hands about?

More Importantly Where are all the promises made by Brexiteers at the referendum...

eg frictionless trade ... tell that to the clamped Trucks in Kent or the ones whose loads have been refused or delayed over paperwork ... or is the Scottish seafood trucks protesting in London Scots Mist ???
 

35pluschips

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Brexit going forward
No your quite right

OK due to 1000s of businesses restricting trade to the EU due to documentation and low trade and travel due to covid 19 the number of transiting lorries & cars is about 70% lower than normal but do not be concerned because the government has spent 840million of taxpayers money building 10 buffer lorry parks and a dedicated Covid test center at Dover to ease the pain with dozens more planned across the country at other transit points

SO with an investment of around 1.6 billion pounds of taxpayers money, we should, hopefully, minimize the gridlock otherwise predicted in Kent

Ok to the delays at these customers clearance lorry parks are making the transit of perishable food a major problem and just in time ordering is expecting delays which will require greater stock holding which in turn means business investment in storage and logistics which needs to be passed on to the end-user or subsidized with Taxpayers money

But aside from that

Nooooo problems at all.
So no tailbacks then? You must be gutted.
 

Camden

Member
Brexit going forward
Still waiting to see the emergency budget introduced as per project fear.

Wasn't that from the mouth of a Tory? George Osbourne ? .... Brexit doesn't need it now, Covid is the new cover excuse, which hides billions in Govt borrowing ..
 

Bramidan

Member
Brexit going forward
Chips why do think people who voted to remain want to see the country in which they live go down the pan?
The very reason I voted to remain was so that we could, as a nation, continue with frictionless trade.
Personally I am not surprised with the difficulties that we now see.
It does amaze me that Boris has now found another money tree in order to compensate those businesses where they have suffered because of Brexit "for no fault of their own"
Strangely enough I never saw the difficlculties posted on the side of a bus. It was all meant to be so easy, we could leave the club but continue with all the benefits and life wouldn't change.
The fact that these problems are now coming to the surface is no cause for pleasure, no matter how you voted.
The fact that that seems to be your impression seems to say more about you than me, as a remainer.
 

35pluschips

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Brexit going forward
Wasn't that from the mouth of a Tory? George Osbourne ? .... Brexit doesn't need it now, Covid is the new cover excuse, which hides billions in Govt borrowing ..
What EU member state hasn’t borrowed billions due to Covid and that includes Brussels itself? It’s not an excuse, it’s the reality of the situation everyone finds themselves in.
Chips why do think people who voted to remain want to see the country in which they live go down the pan?
The very reason I voted to remain was so that we could, as a nation, continue with frictionless trade.
Personally I am not surprised with the difficulties that we now see.
It does amaze me that Boris has now found another money tree in order to compensate those businesses where they have suffered because of Brexit "for no fault of their own"
Strangely enough I never saw the difficlculties posted on the side of a bus. It was all meant to be so easy, we could leave the club but continue with all the benefits and life wouldn't change.
The fact that these problems are now coming to the surface is no cause for pleasure, no matter how you voted.
The fact that that seems to be your impression seems to say more about you than me, as a remainer.
Well one of your previous posts seemed to indicate that. Wasn’t it you who stated they “deserve all they get” when there were hold ups at Dover? Even though those hold ups were unrelated to Brexit.
 

Camden

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What EU member state hasn’t borrowed billions due to Covid and that includes Brussels itself? It’s not an excuse, it’s the reality of the situation everyone finds themselves in.
Did I say that others in the EU haven't borrowed ? what has that got to do with us in the UK ? ...we half left the EU as you constantly remind us ..What I said was "Covid is the new cover excuse, which hides billions in Govt borrowing " what don't you understand in the word "Hide"

I will let Bramidan answer his own question you put to him , ... but will again say you Brexiteers may think you have the monopoly on Patriotism inc your stealing the Union Jack for your Brexit ideology... but most wish the country well both economically and increased employment for the working people and retain the rights we had within the EU etc etc .. but not to vote ourselves poorer...
 

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