Saoirse

Moderator
Belfast Trouble
Without getting into whys or wherefores I have to admit its utterly depressing disappointing and hurtful to just see another generation get into this mayhem

Now abroad since 2018 after 55 years there for some reason it hurts even more now watching the futility of the whole saga from afar

Getting annoyed now will leave it there
 

Saoirse

Moderator
Belfast Trouble
Would love to know has anyone any idea why do people sometimes feel even worse about bad things/ places - after you've left
 

Saoirse

Moderator
Belfast Trouble
Had to laugh this evening when I noted on social media unionist thugs who had arranged another riot for tonight asking their supporters to leave it until after the weekend in order to show deference to their Queen

God love their wit
 

Camden

Member
Belfast Trouble

I don't see any old time religion helping

Clerics unite in appeal to stop violence on Northern Ireland’s streets


Clergy from across Northern Ireland’s traditional dividing lines have put on a demonstration of unity to urge an end to the recent violence.

After a week of disorder across the region which has left 74 police officers injured, a Catholic and a Church of Ireland bishop were among those who came together for an ecumenical service before walking together to the peace wall gate at the centre of the latest clashes.

There was a silent pause at the start of proceedings to acknowledge the death of Prince Philip.

 

mollag

Kipper restorer
Belfast Trouble
Is there a large pachyderm in this room?

From the Guardian

Loyalist Communities Council (LCC), an umbrella group representing loyalist paramilitaries seeking an end to the violence.

“The LCC can confirm that none of their associated groups have been involved either directly or indirectly in the violence witnessed in recent days,” it said.

But the LCC said there had been a “spectacular collective failure” to understand their anger over Brexit and other issues, and the border protocol must be renegotiated. Critics of the departure deal’s Northern Ireland protocol say a border is in effect in the Irish Sea, leaving unionists feeling betrayed.

“We have repeatedly urged HM Government, political leaders and Institutions to take seriously our warnings of the dangerous consequences of imposing this hard border on us and the need for earnest dialogue to resolve matters. We reiterate that message now,” the LCC said.
 

Saoirse

Moderator
Belfast Trouble
Mollag this is the same grouping who wanted the toughest Brexit possible

They cheered ERG from the rafters

They had Boris at the DUP annual conference

They propped him up in government

And if there were an election tomorrow they would vote DUP again to a man

You need to look deeper imho
 

SLEEPY

Member
Belfast Trouble
The Tory government that expressly said it was going to break the law over the North Ireland...

...now has to deal with lawlessness in the North Ireland !
 

Saoirse

Moderator
Belfast Trouble
As one commentator put it the other day re unionism and Britan- there's nothing as hard to take as rejection. Being in love with someone who clearly wants nothing to do with you

It leaves you hurt confused angry and uncertain where to turn
 

mollag

Kipper restorer
Belfast Trouble
Mollag this is the same grouping who wanted the toughest Brexit possible

They cheered ERG from the rafters

They had Boris at the DUP annual conference

They propped him up in government

And if there were an election tomorrow they would vote DUP again to a man

You need to look deeper imho
I agree, but there isnt a great depth with the reasoning of the group, voted by flag, were easily lied to and now resent it when the penny has dropped, repeat with the UK fishing industry. Boris also promised to cut immigration :unsure:
 

Saoirse

Moderator
Belfast Trouble
But Mollag it's not like they weren't warned time and time again indeed this has happened to them repeatedly through the history of the quasi statelet

Alas now as demographics etc turn and they find themselves in a situation where every time a law is changed in Brussels or London they move further and further away from Britain

The answer as increasing numbers especially in business sector etc are saying is to look to Dublin as the North will be affected by Brussels laws but Belfast has no representation there
 

mollag

Kipper restorer
Belfast Trouble
Mollag this is the same grouping who wanted the toughest Brexit possible

They cheered ERG from the rafters

They had Boris at the DUP annual conference

They propped him up in government

And if there were an election tomorrow they would vote DUP again to a man

You need to look deeper imho
I agree, but there isnt a great depth with the reasoning of the group, voted by flag, were easily lied to and now resent it when the penny has dropped, repeat with the UK fishing industry. Boris also promised to cut immigration :unsure:
 

Chasey

Member
Belfast Trouble
Without getting into whys or wherefores I have to admit its utterly depressing disappointing and hurtful to just see another generation get into this mayhem

Now abroad since 2018 after 55 years there for some reason it hurts even more now watching the futility of the whole saga from afar

Getting annoyed now will leave it there


It is depressing and more so to me is the fact the issue wasnt publicised or given any coverage at all before the Brexit vote and once it became more common knowledge, Boris made a raft of untenable promises related to the outcome of the vote. All of them turning out to be lies.

The government MUST have known this would happen and they simply didn't care.
 

SLEEPY

Member
Belfast Trouble
In short the game is up .. In The Centenary Year of the British Border In Ireland realisation is setting in that winds of change are blowing.
Next years elections will have the Shinners take The First Ministers JoB.
That will be followed by the census results where those of a Catholic/Nationalist persuasion will more than likely for the first time be the majority.Considering this in the back drop of SNP inspired referendum and growing momentum for a Irish border poll ..the writing is on the wall.
Forget about the Sea Border,covid funerals,2 tier policing and even the loyalist drug trade ...the end is nigh!
 

Saoirse

Moderator
Belfast Trouble
Agree entirely

there's more discussion talk and debate now than ever of border poll etc.

if Scotland were to gain Independence I would expect a positive result in a Border poll within the following 5/6 years

Theres already the suggestion of having it on 30th Anniversary of GFA 2028

Certainly a reasonable period of time is needed because debate explanation and understanding of every aspect of change needs thoroughly explored

Ideas already being floated include permanent allocation of seats for Unionists in any new administration which would give then a lot more say than they have now

Other issues re flag anthem etc are all open for debate

It will take time but the direction of travel is away from the current situation of being governed by those who are not subject to election and towards an agreed future
 

yalimart

The Carnwath Massive
Belfast Trouble
So how many proddies will support a united Ireland at a vote, sure Brexit alone would have pushed a good number away from the union that isn't.
 

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