mollag

Kipper restorer
Afghan dejavu
Rights and wrongs apart, im getting "big offensive in Helmand" dejavu all over again.
This seems to be one of a series of " we intend to drive the Taleban out of Helmand" spins, i know they were at it in July last year and a few times before, but they all seem to fizzle out and they dont mention them again.
This from the USA general

There is a hope that many insurgents will either lay down their arms and "reintegrate", or flee the area.Well good luck with that, dont hold your breath. Still early days, its only what 9 years?

Oops, sorry i should have said that this headline today in the Guardian is the source


Troops prepare for biggest joint offensive against Taliban US, UK and Afghan troops to unite in surge to push Taliban out of Helmand by year-end
 
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Jaycey

African Refugee
Afghan dejavu
Atlantic Council.jpg

Biden’s plans to withdraw the last US troops from Afghanistan.

Twenty years. America’s longest war is set to finally come to an end, with President Joe Biden expected to announce on Wednesday that all American troops will withdraw from Afghanistan by September 11, 2021, the twentieth anniversary of the al-Qaeda attacks.

After the deaths of more than 2,400 American service members and at least 100,000 Afghans, what’s the state of the nation that the US military will leave behind? Will we see a repeat of the brutal Taliban rule of the 1990s? And after so many withdrawal timelines issued by so many US administrations, will this one even hold?
 

Hilsjw

Member
Afghan dejavu
Nope, it will go right back to the state it was in before, with women as down trodden as ever. No hope, I'm afraid. Yesterday on the radio one of the bright stars in Afghanistan (no idea who it was, a man of course) said we do not want democracy nor communism here. We don't want your Western ideals here. Says it all, really.
 

mollag

Kipper restorer
Afghan dejavu
All a big waste of Peoples lives, time and money and we in the West will do it all again sometime soon, look to someother Muslim country with oil :(
 

Kanga

Member
Afghan dejavu
IMO the next war will be fought for water, not oil.
That's what started the Syrian uprising. The farmers had suffered drought and crop failure and wanted government aid. It was refused and the rest is history.
 

IbrahimAbi

Grey wisdom
Afghan dejavu
Why is the West so arrogant as to assume that our version of 'Democracy' should be imposed on all nations? Some countries work best as tribal societies. Which Arab country is better off for the 'Arab spring?'
It is debatable, but some would say that your average Iraqi was more content under Saddam than they have been since his removal.
 

mollag

Kipper restorer
Afghan dejavu
Why is the West so arrogant as to assume that our version of 'Democracy' should be imposed on all nations? Some countries work best as tribal societies. Which Arab country is better off for the 'Arab spring?'
It is debatable, but some would say that your average Iraqi was more content under Saddam than they have been since his removal.
I think folk like to hear the lie that we are "just bringing freedom and democracy to those poor people" rather than we can steal the oil to pay for the weapons we are using on them, and when we have mostly destroyed the area , it then will pay for us to rebuild and rearm them. Lucky Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq eh? what a great favour we did them. :(
 

uller

Member
Afghan dejavu
Could not agree more. Afganistan, the Graveyard of Empires. The Taliban always said, “You’ve got the watch but we’ve got the time.” At least the Brits left some great buildings, see India, but what has the US left besides death and destruction?
 

Jaycey

African Refugee
Afghan dejavu
IMO the US went in where others feared to tread but never finished the job properly.

Surely people would rather live within an American democracy than under Taliban terror?

And this continuous reference to oil makes no sense – how much oil did the US steal from Iraq, Afghanistan etc?
 

uller

Member
Afghan dejavu
Rumsfield, “Iraq oli will pay for reconstruction. . .”. Trump 2016 “It’s not stealing, we’re reimbursing ourselves.”
 

IbrahimAbi

Grey wisdom
Afghan dejavu
IMO the US went in where others feared to tread but never finished the job properly.

Surely people would rather live within an American democracy than under Taliban terror?

And this continuous reference to oil makes no sense – how much oil did the US steal from Iraq, Afghanistan etc?
The north of Iraq, Mosul area is oil rich
 

TLF Admin

Administrator
Afghan dejavu
IMO the next war will be fought for water, not oil.
You need to look around and see which countries have more and which ones are low or running low.

Turkey has vast amount of water and don't think anyone in the region is up to pick a fight with Turkey, Egypt has very little of it's own and I think will go to war if Ethiopia continues to fill the new dam.

Pakistan is also dependent to some extent on water coming from the Himalayas which India has been damming for a while, this could cause problems in the future.
 

uller

Member
Afghan dejavu
Afganistan was the graveyard for the old USSR Empire,the disintegration started with the loss in Afganistan.

I remember the planning for the Iraq war quite well, starting with the neocons and their Project for a New American Century. Lived in the US then and was vehmently against the war. Still am. Oil was always a factor, albeit
covered with a layer of democracy and the American Way. Also, remember the looting of the Iraq Museum. The only buildings the US sent troops to protect was the Oil Ministry. Just lately took a look at The Guardian, 20 May 2014. Still about the oil.

US firms have not done badly — they seem to have most of the oil contracts in Kurdistan.
 

Camden

Member
Afghan dejavu
Who needs oil to fight over ? when there is/was Trillions of $ Motherlode of Lithium and Gold discovered in Afghanistan
 
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